southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/sta...380981695614976 2 things learned researching young stars close to free agency: count on jered weaver and john danks filing after '12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 it must have taken a lot of research to figure that one out Heyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 6, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/sta...380981695614976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The good news is that no matter how good he is, teams may want to avoid the PR hit of giving 100 million to a 20 game loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 If the Sox are out of it in July, they might as well see what they can get. Yankees? Get Montero and those pitching prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 6, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) The good news is that no matter how good he is, teams may want to avoid the PR hit of giving 100 million to a 20 game loser. Hard to blame the 0-5 record on his pitching............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ May 6, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) Hard to blame the 0-5 record on his pitching............... It just makes the point of why it's dumb to judge a pitcher based on wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Well duhhhhh! Master of the obvious. @fakejonheyman Pujols to strike gold in free agency after '11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ May 6, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) Yay, why thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ May 6, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) If the Sox are out of it in July, they might as well see what they can get. Yankees? Get Montero and those pitching prospects? anyway (danks,jackson,etc) we can get banuelos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 As stupid as it may seem to the majority of us, we almost definitely would receive less for Danks because of the bad record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 6, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) As stupid as it may seem to the majority of us, we almost definitely would receive less for Danks because of the bad record. Really? I don't agree with that. GM's realize that record is very dependent on the team around the pitcher and we've done a horrible job scoring runs for him pretty much his entire career here. He might not have a sexy record to get casual fans excited or grab media attention but I'm sure guys in front offices know how good and valuable Danks is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) As stupid as it may seem to the majority of us, we almost definitely would receive less for Danks because of the bad record. Eh, if you don't get a big haul for him, you sit on him until the winter. He isn't even making that much this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Really? I don't agree with that. GM's realize that record is very dependent on the team around the pitcher and we've done a horrible job scoring runs for him pretty much his entire career here. He might not have a sexy record to get casual fans excited or grab media attention but I'm sure guys in front offices know how good and valuable Danks is. Regardless of records, he's a 6 inning pitcher at best. His pitch count is seemingly always around 90 or so after 5 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Really? I don't agree with that. GM's realize that record is very dependent on the team around the pitcher and we've done a horrible job scoring runs for him pretty much his entire career here. He might not have a sexy record to get casual fans excited or grab media attention but I'm sure guys in front offices know how good and valuable Danks is. You don't think a qualified GM is going to talk the price down, even a tiny bit, by bringing the record into it? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 6, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) You don't think a qualified GM is going to talk the price down, even a tiny bit, by bringing the record into it? Really? Sure they might try but I'd bet Kenny would call them out on that bulls*** argument and at the end of the day the other team's GM would relent. Sqwert's point about being a 6 inning pitcher is much more relevant though. That fact will definitely bring his value down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:19 PM) Sure they might try but I'd bet Kenny would call them out on that bulls*** argument and at the end of the day the other team's GM would relent. Sqwert's point about being a 6 inning pitcher is much more relevant though. That fact will definitely bring his value down. Apparently you have more faith in KW than I do at this point. It seems like he gets less and less out of trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 How do you fill for free agency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) How do you fill for free agency? 1 cup blueberries 1/4 cup sugar Mix together for filling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 6, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) Apparently you have more faith in KW than I do at this point. It seems like he gets less and less out of trades. We've never really seen him make trades from this position though. He's lost some trades recently but I don't have a huge problem with him. So yes, I guess you could say I'd fairly certain he'd get market value if he were to trade Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 6, 2011 -> 04:19 PM) Sure they might try but I'd bet Kenny would call them out on that bulls*** argument and at the end of the day the other team's GM would relent. Sqwert's point about being a 6 inning pitcher is much more relevant though. That fact will definitely bring his value down. This year he's pitched 7 starts and has 47 innings. That's 6.2+ innings per start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) You don't think a qualified GM is going to talk the price down, even a tiny bit, by bringing the record into it? Really? Yeah, but it also only takes one idiot GM trying to win a division to blow that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) This year he's pitched 7 starts and has 47 innings. That's 6.2+ innings per start. Wow. Talk about small sample size. In those 7 games, he more often than not pitched at 6.0 innings or less. Edited May 6, 2011 by BigSqwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) 1 cup blueberries 1/4 cup sugar Mix together for filling. Thank you. I shall steal this recipe for filling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 6, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Regardless of records, he's a 6 inning pitcher at best. His pitch count is seemingly always around 90 or so after 5 innings. Last year he averaged 6.2 innings per start. 17 of his 32 starts he went 7 innings or more. Just out of curiosity, how much more would he have to pitch to not be considered a 6 inning pitcher at best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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