Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) Everyone is just thinking so logically here. Since Teahen plays 3B sometimes then we need to replace him with a 3B, NO MATTER WHAT RIGHT? NONSENSE. We had other options. We made the wrong decision, again. Exactly. I can't believe you don't understand this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2011 -> 01:20 PM) I don't get you people anymore. Ozzie and KW could piss in some of your faces and you'd excuse them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) It's gonna be really messed up when Ozzie benches Pierre and starts McPherson for some reason. Just to stick it to us. The reactions are hilarious though. Not benching/releasing Pierre is it's own separate problem from Teahen's injury, and to think otherwise you're just forcing yourself to be mad. They need a bench player Viciedo is a starter and also, NOT a 3rd Baseman anymore. Also, McPherson is white, so you know he wont be getting many AB's haha. Seriously though, he wont break double digits in AB's before Teahen is back up. They've already got two options at 3B in Vizquel and Morel. It's not a separate issue. The most deserving candidate to be called up was passed over. This still has something to do with Pierre, regardless of whether people will admit it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) I think actually he was talking about me, lol Well, they were all lumped together as rants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) They've already got two options at 3B in Vizquel and Morel. It's not a separate issue. The most deserving candidate to be called up was passed over. This still has something to do with Pierre, regardless of whether people will admit it or not. You have no idea what you're talking about. It is vital that we have three options to play 3B at all times. God forbid if we only had 2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2011 -> 03:18 PM) So since Ozzie refuses to make the correct move by benching Pierre and playing Viciedo in his place, it is OK to be angry about the correct player not getting the promotion? It's ok to be mad about that. But it's kind of pointless to project that anger towards the promotion when it really is two separate issues. Yes, I understand that Ozzie would just sit him. But now this is on KW, too. If Ozzie makes the incorrect moves, but KW reinforces those incorrect moves by refusing to make the right call-up, then they both need to go. That's my main problem. DV is on a roll right now. Hitting the ball for power, average and currently actually taking occasional walks. If you agree Ozzie would just sit him, you're saying you would still want him here anyways? I wouldn't. He needs to be playing every day somewhere and know he's playing every day. If he assumes the Teahen platoon role, for example, I feel he may press to try and make an impact which could also force him out of what has appeared to be a new sense of plate discipline as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) I don't get you people anymore. Ozzie and KW could piss in some of your faces and you'd excuse them. And there would be people b****ing no matter what they did. I don't get it either honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Okay, we can all agree Pierre sucks and should be benched/cut/released/left in the middle of nowhere We can also agree that it's NOT going to happen. We all agree Viciedo should be playing LF for the Sox right now. So why are we surprised he was not called up? Regardless of the situation? (which I maintain has nothing to do with Viciedo, but I not gonna try and convince you guys otherwise) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) No, it wasn't. The perfect opportunity would be if Pierre were hitting the DL. A bench player who sees 6-8 at bats a week is not ideal. He's absolutely the best bat in the minors but are you really naive enough to think that's actually how that would play out? Yes, Ozzie might give him 2-3 starts (out of 9 or 10) but then he'd be gone. He played well last year and still barely played. He would not be used appropriately. I have no doubt about that. And it would do him no good to play infrequently up here. Ozzie is going to continue to give Pierre the benefit of the doubt. If Dayan replaces anyone, it will be him or if one of PK/CQ/Dunn hits the DL. He will not be called up to play a backup or platoon role. And frankly, he shouldn't be. No, I know that's not how it would play out. f***, I just said that. I'm saying that this is now reflecting badly on both KW and Ozzie. Ozzie won't play Viciedo because of his love affair, or whatever it is, with Pierre. Now the correct move would be to bring up Viciedo to take AB's away from Pierre, plain and simple. KW then reinforces Ozzie's refusal to make the correct call by passing up on Viciedo to promote McPherson instead. Yes, I understand that Viciedo would just sit on the bench, but I'm not going to be happy that they passed on Viciedo because of that incorrect decision. You're saying that we shouldn't be mad that a "reasonable" call was made in response to a wrong call. It still all goes back to the original wrong call of having Pierre continue to get AB's when Viciedo is right there ready and waiting to alleviate this team's problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) And there would be people b****ing no matter what they did. I don't get it either honestly. You don't get it? It's May 17th and we are in 27th place out of 30 teams and have a top 5 or 6 payroll. Edited May 17, 2011 by BigSqwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) Wow, this team... They're making it hard to root for and watch them. This is absolutely true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) It's ok to be mad about that. But it's kind of pointless to project that anger towards the promotion when it really is two separate issues. That's my main problem. DV is on a roll right now. Hitting the ball for power, average and currently actually taking occasional walks. If you agree Ozzie would just sit him, you're saying you would still want him here anyways? I wouldn't. He needs to be playing every day somewhere and know he's playing every day. If he assumes the Teahen platoon role, for example, I feel he may press to try and make an impact which could also force him out of what has appeared to be a new sense of plate discipline as well. It's symptomatic of the entire problem that Ozzie is causing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) Okay, we can all agree Pierre sucks and should be benched/cut/released/left in the middle of nowhere We can also agree that it's NOT going to happen. We all agree Viciedo should be playing LF for the Sox right now. So why are we surprised he was not called up? Regardless of the situation? (which I maintain has nothing to do with Viciedo, but I not gonna try and convince you guys otherwise) It's not surprise as much as it is frustration. Constant incorrect moves being made by both the front office and the managerial staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 This thread is LOLeriffic. Seriously... the Sox are calling a guy up who might, maybe, start once or twice over a 10 game span, and then Teahen is back. And you want a guy who plays multiple positions comfortably. Do people here really think it would be a good idea to call up Viciedo - who has a hot hand with the bat right now - take him out of his rhythm to sit on the bench for 10 days so that he can get 5 at bats, playing positions he doesn't play well? This thread is right up there near the top of SoxTalk overreactions. If Viciedo comes up, it should be to replace Pierre. This call up calls for a veteran scrub sub, which Viciedo is not. This was the only intelligent move to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I see how it's an incorrect move. Pierre should be replacing Marks spot on the bench, and Viciedo should be replacing Pierres spot in the OF.....Then Dallas can replace Pierre's spot on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) This thread is LOLeriffic. Seriously... the Sox are calling a guy up who might, maybe, start once or twice over a 10 game span, and then Teahen is back. And you want a guy who plays multiple positions comfortably. Do people here really think it would be a good idea to call up Viciedo - who has a hot hand with the bat right now - take him out of his rhythm to sit on the bench for 10 days so that he can get 5 at bats, playing positions he doesn't play well? This thread is right up there near the top of SoxTalk overreactions. If Viciedo comes up, it should be to replace Pierre. This call up calls for a veteran scrub sub, which Viciedo is not. This was the only intelligent move to make. We don't need a third 3B. We need someone who can hit inserted into the lineup. I couldn't think of a more opportune time to bring up a hot hitter to permanently replace a worthless player like Pierre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) This thread is LOLeriffic. Seriously... the Sox are calling a guy up who might, maybe, start once or twice over a 10 game span, and then Teahen is back. And you want a guy who plays multiple positions comfortably. Do people here really think it would be a good idea to call up Viciedo - who has a hot hand with the bat right now - take him out of his rhythm to sit on the bench for 10 days so that he can get 5 at bats, playing positions he doesn't play well? This thread is right up there near the top of SoxTalk overreactions. If Viciedo comes up, it should be to replace Pierre. This call up calls for a veteran scrub sub, which Viciedo is not. This was the only intelligent move to make. No, because this move should bring Viciedo to the starting lineup to replace Pierre. But because Ozzie refuses to do the correct thing, everyone else is an idiot because they want Viciedo up. I don't understand what you guys don't get. I see your points. Viciedo shouldn't be called up because he'd just ride the bench. That much is clear and it's been said a thousand times in 5 pages of this thread. We're (I'm) upset because the fact that Viciedo would ride the bench is the incorrect move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 The one unknown here is whether Dayan is playing outfield well below major league standard. We can't play him if he can't play defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (onedude @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) I see how it's an incorrect move. Pierre should be replacing Marks spot on the bench, and Viciedo should be replacing Pierres spot in the OF.....Then Dallas can replace Pierre's spot on the bench. Yes, thank you...although I think that still leaves too many guys on the major league team. Dallas shouldn't be involved at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Jake @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) The one unknown here is whether Dayan is playing outfield well below major league standard. We can't play him if he can't play defense. Pierre can't play defense so who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Jake @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) The one unknown here is whether Dayan is playing outfield well below major league standard. We can't play him if he can't play defense. We already have a starter doing that in LF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:46 PM) We already have a starter doing that in LF I know he's been terrible, but we know that Juan Pierre can actually be pretty good defensively. We can't have a guy that is completely lost in a position that he has basically never played. You do have to put a little faith in the execs that they're aware of whether or not he is ready defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cws0591 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 So you would all prefer Kenny to bring up Viciedo to get a couple at bats a week(stunting his growth) just to let Ozzie know he is making the wrong moves? That is idiotic if you ask me. If any of you expected that to happen then idk what to tell you. If Kenny wanted 2 do that he could have just fired Ozzie. So then that leads me to why the f*** did you see this happening any other way? BTW i think that this was the correct move considering both the atbat opportunities and the fact that Ozzie has not given up on Pierre. Im sick of people knowing what is going to happen and still are angry about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 So what exactly are we saving our multimillion dollar minor league stud for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 17, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) No, because this move should bring Viciedo to the starting lineup to replace Pierre. But because Ozzie refuses to do the correct thing, everyone else is an idiot because they want Viciedo up. I don't understand what you guys don't get. I see your points. Viciedo shouldn't be called up because he'd just ride the bench. That much is clear and it's been said a thousand times in 5 pages of this thread. We're (I'm) upset because the fact that Viciedo would ride the bench is the incorrect move. I agree that, at this point, its time to walk away from Pierre, call up Viciedo for OF. But that is not what we are talking about here - we are talking about what to do with Teahen's slot for 10 days, which is pretty much unrelated to Pierre/Viciedo. Do you get upset about McPherson being there but Pena not being released? No, you just get frurstrated with Pena not being released period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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