chw42 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 23, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) 2nd highest WAR of any SS in baseball (behind Jose Reyes) at 2.0, tops in the AL (finished first in the AL last season). Alexei Ramirez is just a damn good baseball player. Good thing we extended him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 23, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) He's been announced the AL player of the week. Jose Bautista had what, 6 HR this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 23, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) Jose Bautista had what, 6 HR this week? No, only 2, the 3 HR day counts on the previous week. For the past week, Bautista has a sad .930 OPS, while Alexei has a 1.273 OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I remember during the last Oakland series either Hawk or Stoney pointing out a discussion they had had with Kurt Suzuki. Apparently Suzuki feels that Alexei is one of the few guys in baseball that is making adjustments pitch to pitch rather than at-bat to at-bat. I think that's a pretty good compliment to receive from a solid catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ May 23, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) I remember during the last Oakland series either Hawk or Stoney pointing out a discussion they had had with Kurt Suzuki. Apparently Suzuki feels that Alexei is one of the few guys in baseball that is making adjustments pitch to pitch rather than at-bat to at-bat. I think that's a pretty good compliment to receive from a solid catcher. It seemed like he did a good job of that his rookie year. It hasn't really been apparent in the past two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 23, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) 2nd highest WAR of any SS in baseball (behind Jose Reyes) at 2.0, tops in the AL (finished first in the AL last season). Alexei Ramirez is just a damn good baseball player. Dadgum right. Viciedo is a guy, IMO, who is a smart hitter, and will learn to take the walks that pitchers want to give him, after they get a little taste, and a little frightened, of his awesomeness. I don't expect him to have a high OBP with the Sox right away, but I think it will happen with time. Many sluggers have followed such a path. Edited May 23, 2011 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ May 23, 2011 -> 07:18 PM) Dadgum right. Viciedo is a guy, IMO, who is a smart hitter, and will learn to take the walks that pitchers want to give him, after they get a little taste, and a little frightened, of his awesomeness. I don't expect him to have a high OBP with the Sox right away, but I think it will happen with time. Many sluggers have followed such a path. Viciedo has more walks in 180 PAs this year than he had at Charlotte last year in 360 PAs. Hes never going to be the Hurt, but what he needs is to be able to lay off pitches he can't hit. That's what pitchers figured out about him last august, he couldn't lay off a high and inside fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 23, 2011 -> 05:24 PM) Viciedo has more walks in 180 PAs this year than he had at Charlotte last year in 360 PAs. Hes never going to be the Hurt, but what he needs is to be able to lay off pitches he can't hit. That's what pitchers figured out about him last august, he couldn't lay off a high and inside fastball. Well, the high inside fastball is a good pitch to almost anyone when the pitcher locates it, and hopefully he learns to take the "balls" and lay off. If he can avoid the "dives" after away-breaking sliders from right handers I think he'll be OK. Seems to recognize pitches very well. Buddy Bell recently described him as a very serious hitter - I think that's what I've seen since his spring training AB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) I don't like Ramirez or Beckham to have specific jobs to do at the plate. Both guys are at their best when they can relax and focus on driving the ball. Both are more suited to bat towards the bottom of the order. Oh, and as far as Viciedo, his problem is that he's never seen a ball he thinks he can't hit. It's partially true, like a poor man's Vlad, but that approach doesn't bode well for long term success. Edited May 24, 2011 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 23, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) I don't like Ramirez or Beckham to have specific jobs to do at the plate. Both guys are at their best when they can relax and focus on driving the ball. Both are more suited to bat towards the bottom of the order. Oh, and as far as Viciedo, his problem is that he's never seen a ball he thinks he can't hit. It's partially true, like a poor man's Vlad, but that approach doesn't bode well for long term success. So I see you haven't bothered to keep up with Viciedo this year at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Ahhhh no to Lexi leading off Edited May 24, 2011 by JoshPR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ May 23, 2011 -> 07:07 PM) Ahhhh no to Lexi leading off Lotta Pierre fans out there, surprisingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Not a Pierre fan, if Lexi leads off we would have the same fits we do with Pierre, Lexi swings at everything, he can't hit the first 5 weeks of the season, he ain't a leadoff hitter Period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ May 23, 2011 -> 09:34 PM) Not a Pierre fan, if Lexi leads off we would have the same fits we do with Pierre, Lexi swings at everything, he can't hit the first 5 weeks of the season, he ain't a leadoff hitter Period Again, did you also not watch the first 5 weeks of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Still, I don't think he's a leadoff guy. A leadoff guy gets on, walks, makes the pitcher work, battles. That's my idea of a leadoff hitter, Lexi could develop into a good 6th hitter and RBI guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ May 23, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) Still, I don't think he's a leadoff guy. A leadoff guy gets on, walks, makes the pitcher work, battles. That's my idea of a leadoff hitter, Lexi could develop into a good 6th hitter and RBI guy. Again, Obp around .350 this year. He's doing what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I don't know dude, maybe he could do it, I think he could be a better RBI guy,a consistent 20hr 100rbi guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Why wouldn't you u want your 2nd highest On Base Percentage Guy (when 1st is Paulie) to lead off? Balta is right. Edited May 24, 2011 by Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ May 23, 2011 -> 06:02 PM) Mature... I hope so; he's almost 30 years old. His problem is that he's just a poor base stealer and he can't bunt. That's not really a leadoff-type hitter. Damn I didn't realize Lexi was that old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) I think Beckham should lead off. We don't have a real leadoff hitter so let Gordon do it. Juan should be traded for nothing if and when the firesale begins. You'd think somebody might want him. Edited May 24, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 24, 2011 -> 02:48 AM) Damn I didn't realize Lexi was that old. If Cuban birth certificates are to be believed... He could really be 31 or 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ May 23, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) Still, I don't think he's a leadoff guy. A leadoff guy gets on, walks, makes the pitcher work, battles. That's my idea of a leadoff hitter, Lexi could develop into a good 6th hitter and RBI guy. eh who cares, hes only leading off the game in ONE at bat.. ide rather have the better players hitting in front of our power than having someone there who fits some nostalgic mold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ May 24, 2011 -> 03:51 AM) If Cuban birth certificates are to be believed... He could really be 31 or 32. He looks about 23, but no way he is younger that what is reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 23, 2011 -> 07:43 PM) So I see you haven't bothered to keep up with Viciedo this year at all. I know he's showing improved discipline. My point, which I didn't explain well, was that he's a free swinger because he can be. He has the ability to drive balls out of the zone. Thus the Vlad comparison. However, generally, that approach doesn't bode well for long term success. I never said he couldn't address this issue. I'm a huge fan and think he has tremendous upside. The comparison's to Frank I find strange. The only things they have in common are being big and black. He's much more like Vlad IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 23, 2011 -> 06:24 PM) Viciedo has more walks in 180 PAs this year than he had at Charlotte last year in 360 PAs. Hes never going to be the Hurt, but what he needs is to be able to lay off pitches he can't hit. That's what pitchers figured out about him last august, he couldn't lay off a high and inside fastball. Your learning grasshoppa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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