BigEdWalsh Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 29, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) Any "it's early" folks still out there? If there are, they're awfully quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 29, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) Any "it's early" folks still out there? Oh they are still there. I commend them for their optimism, but it's misguided IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) Didn't Kenny say June 1 was the date he'd assess the team? There's a lot of pressure on him to make the right trades the rest of the year. Who will be dealt first? Who the hell on this team would anybody want? Ramirez and Santos. But you obviously don't want to trade them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) Well we are going to be. We don't have very tradeable assets. We don't pick til 47th this year. We have huge contracts tied up to unproductive and injured players. We really won't be good for like five years IMO. Five years would be under incompetent direction. Big market team like the Sox should be two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxt Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 29, 2011 -> 07:18 PM) Who the hell on this team would anybody want? Ramirez and Santos. But you obviously don't want to trade them. You may have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 My heart goes out to our season ticket holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Yea, but uncle Jerry didn't like the fact that Himes didn't want to trade away any prospects to compete with the A's down the stretch in 1990 so he was shown the door. Does it surpise you that jerry likes kenny so much? Larry Himes I forgot about that jack-leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:13 PM) Well then just sit back and relax and watch. It's not rocket science. We were due for a season where we were out of it in May. Let's just hope somehow this can be fixed/tweaked and the Sox aren't a s***ty team for years to come. You don't get it, greg. Everybody and their mothers knew what the stakes were going into this year. This has been a complete and total avalanche and it's not even f***ing June yet. That's about as demoralizing as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) Five years would be under incompetent direction. Big market team like the Sox should be two years. How? We have no farm system. We can't spend in free agency. We have few economically friendly players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Patterson may be AL MVP if he played in Sox division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 29, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) Any "it's early" folks still out there? I'll admit I certainly am not willing to concede the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxt Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 29, 2011 -> 07:18 PM) Five years would be under incompetent direction. Big market team like the Sox should be two years. Yes but given the awful contracts and the poor state of the farm system, even under competent direction, I think that this mess will take five years to sort out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) You may have to. That wouldn't make sense. You trade your older, high-priced vets to get young pieces back so you can start the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) My suggestions in order ... a.) Quietly kill all the 'all-in' commercials and mention on website. b.) Fire Ozzie and Kenny both and promote this Hahn guy. c.) See if that wakes up the team and it actually plays ball. d.) In the interim, start planning trades and lots of em. If we don't go 9-1 in the 10 games with new manager/GM, start dealing. Give away players if you have to. Trade in order, Juan, Rios, Dunn, Edwin, Danks and Paulie. Oh I forgot, Peavy after Rios. Edited May 29, 2011 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 It's too bad we didn't trade Beckham a few years ago, when people thought he was good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Remember how people kept saying that "it can't get any worse" over and over again? It continues to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxt Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 29, 2011 -> 07:22 PM) That wouldn't make sense. You trade your older, high-priced vets to get young pieces back so you can start the rebuild. Trading the older vets would just be a salary dump, assuming that you can even move them. If you want to restock your farm system, sadly you have to trade your more valuable assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (TitoMB @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) It's too bad we didn't trade Beckham a few years ago, when people thought he was good That'd be kinda hard considering he hasn't been around a few seasons. This board would've shutdown if we had traded Gordon after '09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Who could possibly be comfortable waiting for Kenny Williams make deals? We've already got Tyler Flowers, Kyle Cofield, Mark Teahen and Jeff Marquez? How much more can you expect one guy to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 29, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) That'd be kinda hard considering he hasn't been around a few seasons. This board would've shutdown if we had traded Gordon after '09. But it's still too bad we didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 29, 2011 -> 07:25 PM) Trading the older vets would just be a salary dump, assuming that you can even move them. If you want to restock your farm system, sadly you have to trade your more valuable assets Will anybody think Rios/Peavy/Dunn/AJ/Jackson can contribute? I think you can trade them. Unfortuately you may have to eat salary and Jerry may not want those type of deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) Will anybody think Rios/Peavy/Dunn/AJ/Jackson can contribute? I think you can trade them. Unfortuately you may have to eat salary and Jerry may not want those type of deals. JR will NOT eat a dime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 To those of you who went to spring training... did the team show signs of being the one of the worst in baseball? Were there tangible signs of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Trading the older vets would just be a salary dump, assuming that you can even move them. If you want to restock your farm system, sadly you have to trade your more valuable assets Huh? No. You don't trade youth for youth (though Ramirez is not young), but he plays a premium position and is pretty damn good. What do you think a rebuild is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 29, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) Will anybody think Rios/Peavy/Dunn/AJ/Jackson can contribute? I think you can trade them. Unfortuately you may have to eat salary and Jerry may not want those type of deals. AJ might be the only one of that group that might be able to get moved and even that is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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