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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 3, 2011 -> 04:21 AM)
I think James is one of the first to really point out the silliness of the win totals, to be honest.

 

I love James so I'd like to read that.

But what starting pitchers are going to get in the Hall of Fame without a TON of victories.

It's still the reason guys get in the Hall who pitch.

You think they are gonna put guys in with 150 wins just cause they have good peripherals?

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:54 PM)
I love James so I'd like to read that.

But what starting pitchers are going to get in the Hall of Fame without a TON of victories.

It's still the reason guys get in the Hall who pitch.

You think they are gonna put guys in with 150 wins just cause they have good peripherals?

That is certainly something that is going to have to be re-evaluated.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 10:21 PM)
I think James is one of the first to really point out the silliness of the win totals, to be honest.

Over the long haul though win totals are pretty meaningful. I mean you may have a year or two in a long career where you have low win totals despite great numbers or high win totals despite bad numbers. But everything tends to regress toward the mean. The best pitchers end up with the most wins. I would be willing to bet if you looked at the top 10 pitchers in wins from 2000-2009, they would be the so-called top 10 or 15 pitchers in baseball during that stretch.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 3, 2011 -> 06:57 AM)
That is certainly something that is going to have to be re-evaluated.

 

I agree with Maggs.

Look at the guys who won 300 games.

 

Sabermetricians who look at the peripherals and don't care about wins will have a tough time convincing the Hall of Fame some pitcher with 120 wins yet good numbers in all those other categories deserves to get in.

What's going to happen with the Hall of Fame will be no modern pitchers will get in cause nobody will be sniffing 300 wins anymore. I guess some dominant closers will get in.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 3, 2011 -> 12:54 AM)
I love James so I'd like to read that.

But what starting pitchers are going to get in the Hall of Fame without a TON of victories.

It's still the reason guys get in the Hall who pitch.

You think they are gonna put guys in with 150 wins just cause they have good peripherals?

 

Unless there is a Sandy Koufax type situation (165 Ws), you aren't gonna see a starter make the HOF with 150 wins. Most HOF pitchers have so many victories because they were that good for that long of a period of time. No HOF-caliber pitcher will pitch for 15 years and only win 10 games per season. The wins pile up eventually if you are that good. Felix only had 13 wins last year, but the year before with a similar team he won 19.

 

I will say that ins aren't the best judge of a pitcher's overall career, and the 300 W benchmark needs to be lowered. HOF pitchers will have a ton of victories, because they will have pitched a ton of games and the wins will happen if you are that good.

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With the 5 starter and 175 inning era it's impossible, to win 300 a pitcher would have to a rookie when he's 21 and AVERAGE 15 wins per season and pitch till he's 42 just to win 300. I think 250 - 240 wins is a nice plateau for hall consideration, another thing is how long you pitched to get there, cause if you pitch 25 seasons at 10 wins per you shouldn't be hall material

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QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 3, 2011 -> 01:30 PM)
With the 5 starter and 175 inning era it's impossible, to win 300 a pitcher would have to a rookie when he's 21 and AVERAGE 15 wins per season and pitch till he's 42 just to win 300. I think 250 - 240 wins is a nice plateau for hall consideration, another thing is how long you pitched to get there, cause if you pitch 25 seasons at 10 wins per you shouldn't be hall material

 

I sense some anti-Jamie Moyer sentiment!

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 3, 2011 -> 01:33 PM)
I sense some anti-Jamie Moyer sentiment!

Moyer did have two 20-win seasons during the 2000s, which is pretty darn impressive. That being said, he is that rare exception where his win totals belies his actual pitching prowess. I don't think he deserves a spot in the HOF. If it took Blyleven so damn long, Moyer should have no chance.

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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 3, 2011 -> 02:42 PM)
Moyer did have two 20-win seasons during the 2000s, which is pretty darn impressive. That being said, he is that rare exception where his win totals belies his actual pitching prowess. I don't think he deserves a spot in the HOF. If it took Blyleven so damn long, Moyer should have no chance.

 

My point exactly

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