Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 clujer420 said: Bmr31 said: clujer420 said: Bmr31 said: clujer420 said: Koch This said: whitesox247 said: IF we get to the playoffs, Colon Loaiza Buerhle Thats just about as good as the A's big three if not better. It's definitely not better than the a's big 3 (4 really) This year they're just as good, if not better. In the regular season, its close. However, i prefer to choose history when evaluating players, and the oakland trio is much better. Not to mention, they have much more playoff experience. Really, its a no brainer. Hmmm...I dunno. Colon alone might have as many playoff starts as Oakland's 3. Anyone have the stats? If only he could start every game. Buehrle didn't pitch in the 2000 playoffs, right? And I'm sure Loaiza has never been in the playoffs, so Colon would be the only guy who's been there. But, if we manage to make it, I like our chances with our 3 headed monster. Oh we can beat Oakland. Because of our offense. Their big 3 is better than ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: clujer420 said: Bmr31 said: clujer420 said: Bmr31 said: clujer420 said: Koch This said: whitesox247 said: IF we get to the playoffs, Colon Loaiza Buerhle Thats just about as good as the A's big three if not better. It's definitely not better than the a's big 3 (4 really) This year they're just as good, if not better. In the regular season, its close. However, i prefer to choose history when evaluating players, and the oakland trio is much better. Not to mention, they have much more playoff experience. Really, its a no brainer. Hmmm...I dunno. Colon alone might have as many playoff starts as Oakland's 3. Anyone have the stats? If only he could start every game. Buehrle didn't pitch in the 2000 playoffs, right? And I'm sure Loaiza has never been in the playoffs, so Colon would be the only guy who's been there. But, if we manage to make it, I like our chances with our 3 headed monster. Oh we can beat Oakland. Because of our offense. Their big 3 is better than ours. Oakland has an offense? You are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Personally I'd take our big three over the A's. I heard Mulder, Hudson, Zito are something like 0-6 in the playoffs. Colon is a bigtime pitcher and just has the look of an ace, Loaiza is the Cy Young in my book, and Buehrle is turning the season around. Colon and Loaiza are veterans, while the A's big three are still relatively young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: Oh we can beat Oakland. Because of our offense. Their big 3 is better than ours. Sounds a lot like what was probably being said before our series with the M's in 2000. Our pitching was supposed to be our weak point, but our offense was going to make up for it. And we all know how that turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 whitesox247 said: Personally I'd take our big three over the A's. I heard Mulder, Hudson, Zito are something like 0-6 in the playoffs. Colon is a bigtime pitcher and just has the look of an ace, Loaiza is the Cy Young in my book, and Buehrle is turning the season around. Colon and Loaiza are veterans, while the A's big three are still relatively young. That would be because youre a homer. If you polled objective fans, players and coaches. Oaklands big 3 would win by a wide margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 whitesox247 said: Personally I'd take our big three over the A's. I heard Mulder, Hudson, Zito are something like 0-6 in the playoffs. Colon is a bigtime pitcher and just has the look of an ace, Loaiza is the Cy Young in my book, and Buehrle is turning the season around. Colon and Loaiza are veterans, while the A's big three are still relatively young. Good points. I can't say I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: That would be because youre a homer. If you polled objective fans, players and coaches. Oaklands big 3 would win by a wide margin. Mainly because they have the big names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: That would be because youre a homer. If you polled objective fans, players and coaches. Oaklands big 3 would win by a wide margin. No way in hell you take ours over the a's big three I have to steal bmr's line, watch some baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Koch This said: No way in hell you take ours over the a's big three And to steal Hawks line, I love it when you analyze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 But the problem isn't the starters {except the need for a quality fifth starter} but what's up with the bullpen? Soxs need to bring up Bajenaru from Birmingham. Look at his stats 52 innings, 52 Ks, and only 24 BB. He throws strikes!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 shoe said: But the problem isn't the starters {except the need for a quality fifth starter} but what's up with the bullpen? Soxs need to bring up Bajenaru from Birmingham. Look at his stats 52 innings, 52 Ks, and only 24 BB. He throws strikes!!!!!!! 24 walks in 52 IP isn't that great. That's actually kinda high. That's over 4 per 9 IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 44 hits and 24 walks in 52.1 innings? That's a WHIP of 1.30. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraJ14 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Postseason stats: Zito 2-1 2.28 ERA Mulder 2-2 2.25 ERA Hudson 1-2 3.41 ERA Colon 2-2 3.28 ERA Buehrle 0-0 0.00 ERA ( 1/3 inning pitched) Loaiza 0-1 3.86 ERA pitched for Texas in 1999 against Yankees I found these on baseball-reference.com, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 whitesox247 said: Mainly because they have the big names. Or maybe those people watch other games, other than sox games huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 LauraJ14 said: Postseason stats: Zito 2-1 2.28 ERA Mulder 2-2 2.25 ERA Hudson 1-2 3.41 ERA Colon 2-2 3.28 ERA Buehrle 0-0 0.00 ERA ( 1/3 inning pitched) Loaiza 0-1 3.86 ERA pitched for Texas in 1999 against Yankees I found these on baseball-reference.com, Cool, thanks. Colon is only 2-2? How many starts has he made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 LauraJ14 said: Postseason stats: Zito 2-1 2.28 ERA Mulder 2-2 2.25 ERA Hudson 1-2 3.41 ERA Colon 2-2 3.28 ERA Buehrle 0-0 0.00 ERA ( 1/3 inning pitched) Loaiza 0-1 3.86 ERA pitched for Texas in 1999 against Yankees I found these on baseball-reference.com, Yeah what horrible post season stats for those oakland guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 (edited) Bmr31 said: Or maybe those people watch other games, other than sox games huh? Dude I've watched the Oakland guys pitch for a long time and I'm still sticking with our veterans. Theres no point in arguing, but it would still be some great matchups if we met them in the playoffs. Edited August 6, 2003 by whitesox247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 whitesox247 said: Dude I've watched the Oakland guys pitch for a long time and I'm still sticking with our veterans. Theres no point in arguing, but it would still be some matchups if we met them in the playoffs. there is no point, because everything points against your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: there is no point, because everything points against your opinion. They didnt get past the Twins last season did they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 whitesox247 said: They didnt get past the Twins last season did they? Dont make a fool of yourself. Evidence includes, but is not limited to, experience in the playoffs, stats in teh regular season and playoffs, talent, and overwhelming popular opinion. You are just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: Dont make a fool of yourself. Evidence includes, but is not limited to, experience in the playoffs, stats in teh regular season and playoffs, talent, and overwhelming popular opinion. You are just wrong. Ok, whatever you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: Dont make a fool of yourself. Evidence includes, but is not limited to, experience in the playoffs, stats in teh regular season and playoffs, talent, and overwhelming popular opinion. You are just wrong. Just to interject, public opinion isn't always very reliable. People have pretty much universally crowned Roy Halladay the Cy Young Award winner, yet he has just 2 more wins than Esteban Loaiza and an ERA of over a run higher, not to mention 3 full runs more of run support per start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 clujer420 said: Just to interject, public opinion isn't always very reliable. People have pretty much universally crowned Roy Halladay the Cy Young Award winner, yet he has just 2 more wins than Esteban Loaiza and an ERA of over a run higher, not to mention 3 full runs more of run support per start. Yeah that swayed me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bmr31 said: Yeah that swayed me BTW, I've retrieved a family portrait of cw from when they had their yearly reunion at JWG's pad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Which one is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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