bighurt574 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Beginning August 29, we play 26 straight division games (6 against Detroit, 7 against Cleveland, 6 against Minnesota, and 7 against Kansas City) before ending with 3 against Toronto. If we can hang around until then, that's when the division will be won or lost. Hopefully Dunn and/or Rios are clicking by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2011 -> 11:01 PM) Still eight back in the loss column, which is only picking up four games in that total in this whole stretch. So if the Sox are just three games behind the Indians by the All-Star break you will still be counting on that loss column?? SMDH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 If anything, the Sox are going to need Rios to produce like a 4th outfielder. A .554 OPS is not going to do that. Rios is a giant blackhole right now other than the fact that he can play a passable (and in fact average) CF. Viciedo fills a lot of needs, but there's quite literally no room for him with the roster as currently constructed. In other words, WHERE WOULD HE PLAY? (I'd STILL play him in LF with Pierre as the backup, but then you're left with Rios and that albatross of a contract) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 You mean we can quit calling for the mass trading and releasing of the 25 man roster? We can quit calling for Ozzie and KW to be fired? GO SOX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I am thinking in terms of total season numbers. He is right now well below anything like his career or season averages. What kind of BA/OBP and Power numbers do we really expect from Rios to make a real difference? A BA of at least.260 with a .330 OBP and 20-25HR/70-80RBI? Is that un-reasonable to expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 You mean we can quit calling for the mass trading and releasing of the 25 man roster? We can quit calling for Ozzie and KW to be fired? GO SOX! JR pretty much squashed that idea with his comments in the article posted today in the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) What kind of BA/OBP and Power numbers do we really expect from Rios to make a real difference? A BA of at least.260 with a .330 OBP and 20-25HR/70-80RBI? Is that un-reasonable to expect? At this point, if Rios could be Juan Pierre with the bat the rest of the way, it'd still be an improvement. 20-25 HR would be unreasonable, yes, he's only hit 20 in his career twice. If he could give us a .700+ OPS the rest of the way, at least that's something. It's not earning his salary, but at least we could play him without it costing us too many games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Cleveland is falling fast, they've lost 10 out of the last 13 and their next two series are the Yanks and Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 10:23 AM) To look at the loss column at this point in the season is RIDICULOUS. More important is that the Tribe has played 4 less games than we have , and will likely lose two of those. If you've actually watched the Indians play, you couldn't possibly be worried. Their pitching is a mirage. We're chasing the Tigers - Cleveland will be irrelevant soon. Any mention of the loss column is as moronic as mention of the Indians magic number to clinch the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) Any mention of the loss column is as moronic as mention of the Indians magic number to clinch the division. 103 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Team is quickly picking up the motto "If you can't beat us on the field, beat us off". I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 06:11 AM) Everyone can continue to spin this to suit their own purposes. All I know is that this team is better than it has performed, and that will be proven as more chances present themselves. And this is exactly what many of us argued. Not to overreact. No overcorrections. Patience. Did you guys really think the Tigers are that much better than us? I understand they are 5-1 against us...but they don't particularly frighten me with Don Kelly/Adam Dirks/Danny Worth, etc.... No, the Tigers are a little bit worse than the Sox. But they're a few games up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 This is the stuff that I don't understand, being excited over making up ground. When they get to 4 games back of the leader in the loss column they'll be contenders. Until then they are also-rans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 11:22 PM) This is the stuff that I don't understand, being excited over making up ground. When they get to 4 games back of the leader in the loss column they'll be contenders. Until then they are also-rans. So nobody should be optimistic about cutting the deficit in half over the last 4 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (T R U @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) So nobody should be optimistic about cutting the deficit in half over the last 4 weeks? we've been mediocre going by the W/L record over that time, it's just that Cleveland has been horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Real @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) we've been mediocre going by the W/L record over that time, it's just that Cleveland has been horrible We're 19-11 over that time. That's a .633 winning percentage. If we were to continue on such a "mediocre" pace for the remainder of the season we would win 93 games. Edited June 8, 2011 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) we've been mediocre going by the W/L record over that time, it's just that Cleveland has been horrible 19-11 is not mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretchstretch Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) At this point, if Rios could be Juan Pierre with the bat the rest of the way, it'd still be an improvement. 20-25 HR would be unreasonable, yes, he's only hit 20 in his career twice. If he could give us a .700+ OPS the rest of the way, at least that's something. It's not earning his salary, but at least we could play him without it costing us too many games. people still don't want to hear it, but to think of the stable situation at CF we dumped after 2005 for the clusterfudge that has been that position for the last 6 seasons. you have a leave it all on the field fan favorite, clubhouse uniter, and trade that for this revolving door joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (stretchstretch @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 12:34 AM) people still don't want to hear it, but to think of the stable situation at CF we dumped after 2005 for the clusterfudge that has been that position for the last 6 seasons. you have a leave it all on the field fan favorite, clubhouse uniter, and trade that for this revolving door joke. I dont know if you want to hear this, but you do realize that Aaron Rowand sucks, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 11:54 PM) We're 19-11 over that time. That's a .633 winning percentage. If we were to continue on such a "mediocre" pace for the remainder of the season we would win 93 games. Its like talking to the wall man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Why has it taken so long to ban real? Stupidity is clearly not enough, evidently, considering there are a few (a few... lolz) still roaming around the place. Even them, i can deal with, if we must. Real? He tops most in that category, and is troll to boot. Please can the guttersnipe before it's too late. Edited June 8, 2011 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Wait, personal attacks are allowed now? Ok. Cleveland started struggling over the last 14 games L, L, L, W, L, L, W, W, L, L, L, L, L, W = 4-10 We're 8-6, in those last 14 games which is 2 games above .500. 8-6, is a .571 Win%, coupled with what our record was at the start of those 14 games (22-27), would put us at 87-75 at the end of the year 87 wins = mediocre qwerty, gmafb child. Edited June 8, 2011 by Real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 06:09 AM) Cleveland started struggling over the last 14 games L, L, L, W, L, L, W, W, L, L, L, L, L, W = 4-10 We're 8-6, in those last 14 games which is 2 games above .500. 8-6, is a .571 Win%, coupled with what our record was at the start of those 14 games (22-27), would put us at 87-75 at the end of the year 87 wins = mediocre qwerty, gmafb child. Ok, so now you are going to argue that picking up 4 games in a 14 game stretch is not significant? Again, if such a "mediocre" scenario were to repeat itself until the end of the season, we would be roughly 22 games ahead of the Indians by October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 06:12 AM) Ok, so now you are going to argue that picking up 4 games in a 14 game stretch is not significant? Again, if such a "mediocre" scenario were to repeat itself until the end of the season, we would be roughly 22 games ahead of the Indians by October. So you're saying if we pass the indians, we're good? 87 wins isn't mediocre to you? Haha ok! Have you been watching this team? I don't think you have.. at least that's the conclusion I'm drawing from your posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 06:09 AM) Wait, personal attacks are allowed now? Ok. Cleveland started struggling over the last 14 games L, L, L, W, L, L, W, W, L, L, L, L, L, W = 4-10 We're 8-6, in those last 14 games which is 2 games above .500. 8-6, is a .571 Win%, coupled with what our record was at the start of those 14 games (22-27), would put us at 87-75 at the end of the year 87 wins = mediocre qwerty, gmafb child. I certainly don't think the White Sox are 'cured' and primed to take over the division. But the fact is they've played much better ball the last month and have made up considerable ground. And you talk about how Cleveland is struggling. How else are we supposed to make up ground on them if we're not playing them? lol. The Indians offense and bullpen are legit. No doubt in my mind. When Choo and Santana get going, and they will, they probably have the best offense in the division. But their rotation is beyond suspect. And they've been getting torpedoed of late. 87 wins is mediocre. But we're not in the al east. That could very well be just enough to win this division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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