flavum Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I don't see how that can be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Bernstein on the Score saying the Guillens feel very, very hurt and were promised that Ozney would be taken between 10-15. Who promised them that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) Who promised them that? The Draft Fairy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Bernstein on the Score saying the Guillens feel very, very hurt and were promised that Ozney would be taken between 10-15. Yes! Now let's have Ozzie go on a tirade against KW and the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) Bernstein on the Score saying the Guillens feel very, very hurt and were promised that Ozney would be taken between 10-15. Promised by the Sox? Or teams in general? I'm really hoping it's the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 They're saying the Sox allegedly told the Guillen family this, and also told other teams to lay off him because they're taking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) They're saying the Sox allegedly told the Guillen family this, and also told other teams to lay off him because they're taking him. I am gonna call BS on this. It really makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 #1-- I don't believe that. #2-- Couldn't they still sign him as a free agent if everyone passed on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 12:54 PM) Leighton had some off-field issues last year, hopefully his brother is a little more mature. Can you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) I am gonna call BS on this. It really makes no sense. Yeah that's ridiculous. They might have had someone in the MLB Scouting Bureau say rounds 10-15 is where he projects, but there are so many factors with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Bernstein on the Score saying the Guillens feel very, very hurt and were promised that Ozney would be taken between 10-15. If that is true I expect the whole scouting department to resign noboby in MLB wanted Ozney this year and probably last year, what makes KW and OG think White Sox organization owes there kids a payday. KW Jr probably would not of been drafted either by anyone else, If this BS crap did not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Bernstein on the Score saying the Guillens feel very, very hurt and were promised that Ozney would be taken between 10-15. Yeah that's hard to believe. Though Ozzie was pretty angry today about something. If he thought Ozney was a round 10-15 guy, he's living in fantasy land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 And that whole bit about the Sox telling teams to stay away, WTF? Dear MLB, We really like this Gerrit Cole player. We call dibs. Sincerely, The Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Oney floated this rumor last year. It's bulls*** and he's probably just doing it again, anonymously this time, to take shots at the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 This article gives the White Sox honorable mention for teams that might have had a good draft. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnerId=rss_mlb Kind of surprised. Anyone see any draft review yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:27 PM) This article gives the White Sox honorable mention for teams that might have had a good draft. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnerId=rss_mlb Kind of surprised. Anyone see any draft review yet? Not surprising to see the Rays, Red Sox and Jays up there. And the Nationals easily had a better draft that the Padres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:27 PM) This article gives the White Sox honorable mention for teams that might have had a good draft. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnerId=rss_mlb Kind of surprised. Anyone see any draft review yet? The draft reviews will start to flow tomorrow. Honestly, I think this could be a very deep draft class for the Sox. They picked a lot of college guys that put up solid enough numbers to do well in the low minors. Hopefully a few of those guys can make the leap into being a legitimate prospect. I'm going to need some convincing on the Johnson pick, but the Soptic pick sounds good and I love the Gardeck pick in the 8th if they can sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) I have a feeling this is going to be the first time Bristol doesn't suck. With all these college players, the BriSox should have a competitive squad. Hopefully that translates to a deep draft class. Who knows, but it's certainly an interesting case study to ignore high schoolers for the first two days of the draft. It could also be construed as being lazy developmentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 12:35 AM) It could also be construed as being lazy developmentally. And/or in scouting as well. I'm sure there's a reason. There's no way 30+ rounds with no high schoolers is a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 08:23 AM) And/or in scouting as well. I'm sure there's a reason. There's no way 30+ rounds with no high schoolers is a coincidence. I really like the strategy personally, if, and only if, they can sign a good number of the higher upside high school picks. I think loading up on what you perceive to be the college talent early, while it's still available, and then grabbing the high school talent that inevitably falls (as it always does), makes a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) If that is true I expect the whole scouting department to resign noboby in MLB wanted Ozney this year and probably last year, what makes KW and OG think White Sox organization owes there kids a payday. KW Jr probably would not of been drafted either by anyone else, If this BS crap did not exist. I get being upset about some of the Sox recent picks, but this is just a completely false statement. In no way should KW Jr have been drafted in the 6th round, but if we didn't draft him, someone almost assuredly would have drafted him in the 10-15 round range. As for Ozney, he was a legitimate prospect last year and also was this year. Not top 15 like the Guillens are saying, but there was no real reason for him not to have been drafted. I guarantee this was because teams wanted to avoid the Guillen family drama (because he's not a good enough prospect to deal with that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 09:12 AM) I get being upset about some of the Sox recent picks, but this is just a completely false statement. In no way should KW Jr have been drafted in the 6th round, but if we didn't draft him, someone almost assuredly would have drafted him in the 10-15 round range. As for Ozney, he was a legitimate prospect last year and also was this year. Not top 15 like the Guillens are saying, but there was no real reason for him not to have been drafted. I guarantee this was because teams wanted to avoid the Guillen family drama (because he's not a good enough prospect to deal with that). He was drafted last year outside of the top 15 rounds...by the White Sox. Which of course started all the crap. And yeah, you're right, the reason no one else wants him is that no one wants to deal with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 02:23 AM) And/or in scouting as well. I'm sure there's a reason. There's no way 30+ rounds with no high schoolers is a coincidence. This is purely my feeling, but I think we are seeing the effects of a $125 million payroll on drafting. I think we really went cheap because of all of the money we are spending at the major league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) The draft reviews will start to flow tomorrow. Honestly, I think this could be a very deep draft class for the Sox. They picked a lot of college guys that put up solid enough numbers to do well in the low minors. Hopefully a few of those guys can make the leap into being a legitimate prospect. I'm going to need some convincing on the Johnson pick, but the Soptic pick sounds good and I love the Gardeck pick in the 8th if they can sign him. Gardeck and Johnson are two of my favorite picks and I'm warming to Walker. Being a guy who loves what speed can do for a baseball club I love the idea of the possibility of Walker panning out and just being wreaking havoc on oppositions for years to come. I get what you are saying about the collegiate guys but the thing that dissapoints me is it seems like we took a ton of relievers and while I don't know the ultimate plan for these guys there were a lot of picks that kind of had me scracthing my head (mainly because I tend to prefer a certain type of player). However, if the Sox can sign 1 or 2 guys late that should have went earlier, things would warm up for me. I also think our organization has actually done a decent job finding later round talent the past couple years (see: Hudson, Dex Carter, Brandon Allen, Aaron Cunningham, Clayton Richard, Chris Young, etc). I mention all of those guys because regardless of what they ultimately turned/turn into at the major league level (or in Dex's case how he fell apart eventually, but he still turned into great value for the Sox), they all had pretty solid trade value for guys we ended up developing a little later on (some were picked early in the top 5 rounds, others a little later). Kind of like what I thought Mitchell would end up doing and still hope he might eventually do (Mitchell with more power potential though). But you know what, I can't fault things from an injury perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 12:23 AM) And/or in scouting as well. I'm sure there's a reason. There's no way 30+ rounds with no high schoolers is a coincidence. Could very well be that the Sox feel that by taking a lot of college guys you have better odds of hitting on a multitude of guys and you can eventually spin them for what you want. Plus if teams were overvaluing high school guys in this years draft you could end up with better overall value picking the college guys. I don't think anyone in baseball, regardless of the club, is lazy when it comes to player development. Some are just far better at it than others. And I actually like the fact that the White Sox primarily hire "baseball" scouts versus applying this statistical nonsense on the draft. I think the statistical purposes serve better value at the major league level than say the low minor league and amateur ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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