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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 10:10 PM)
That would be a considerable upgrade, though. His length, athleticism and shot-blocking ability would make an already good defensive team more lethal. He'd be basically their Tyson Chandler. But I can't see him taking such a drastic paycut, even if the MLE remains at $5.8 million.

The question is, who will offer him more than that? (the heat might also offer more years as they did with Miller)

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 09:24 PM)
The question is, who will offer him more than that? (the heat might also offer more years as they did with Miller)

 

Under the current market climate? That's definitely below what he can get. He's a big man with a pulse, that pretty much means he's worth at least $7 mil. Hell, there are three far inferior big men making more than $6 mil this year just on the Bobcats (Joel Pryzbilla, Tyrus Thomas and Desagan Diop).

 

Under the new CBA, who knows.

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Dalembert seems to legitimately be interested in the Heat.

 

"As for Dalembert, the Heat will have competition from the Knicks, the Kings and several others. The 6-11 Dalembert — who averaged 8.1 points, 8.2 rebounds and 1.6 blocks in 24 minutes per game this season — expressed strong interest in the Heat during a March visit to Miami. But he was vague at a Heat playoff game last month. “I haven’t given it thought,” he said of his plans. But the Heat meets at least two of his criteria: “I want to play for a team that can win a championship. And a team that can run the fast break. Miami has a good one.”

 

“We’ll see,” he said, adding he would “like to be in a place that appreciates me.” Dalembert has a home in Boca Raton and that could work in the Heat’s favor, but only if Miami can make a competitive offer. He has traveled with the Heat on earthquake relief missions to Haiti."

 

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

 

 

He would be a great pick-up, and would allow the Heat to just draft the best player available at 31.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 10:13 AM)
Versus being in the lottery in two years and be stuck in limbo for decade while all of their fanbase walks away?

 

Yes. That is better than the lost decade that the Bulls had when their superstars left, and we tried to "rebuild".

Balta's kinda scattershot with it but he's right. GMs in the NBA are often put in a position of "do something now to push superstar over through championship window or be forced to lose superstar and become irrelevant"

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 01:00 PM)
At this point it is pretty grim. The NBA labor/owner situation makes the NFL one look cozy.

The NBA actually has real problems, the NFL not really, just imagined problems. The NBA is bleeding money and actually showed their books, the NFL is just trying to grab a bigger piece of the multi-billion dollar pie

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 01:23 PM)
The NBA actually has real problems, the NFL not really, just imagined problems. The NBA is bleeding money and actually showed their books, the NFL is just trying to grab a bigger piece of the multi-billion dollar pie

I've got a feeling we could get a lockout not as bad as what the NHL went through a few years back, but we could definitely have some period of a work stoppage.

 

When you've got Derek Fisher coming out and saying financially everything is good (with record TV ratings etc), and some owners losing tens of millions every year, well something is going to have to give eventually there.

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QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 05:00 AM)
I've got a feeling we could get a lockout not as bad as what the NHL went through a few years back, but we could definitely have some period of a work stoppage.

 

When you've got Derek Fisher coming out and saying financially everything is good (with record TV ratings etc), and some owners losing tens of millions every year, well something is going to have to give eventually there.

Unlike the NFL, I'm pretty sure that the NBA has been much more willing to open the books of its teams and actually show that franchises are losing a lot of money.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 11:07 PM)
Unlike the NFL, I'm pretty sure that the NBA has been much more willing to open the books of its teams and actually show that franchises are losing a lot of money.

Yeah I've got no doubts that the NBA is probably on the owners side here (otherwise contraction would be a big possibility).

 

They definitely want a hard cap and probably the ability to release players from overpriced contracts as you can do in the NFL (so we don't have situations such as Jerome James' and Eddy Curry's occurring again).

 

As I've said though, the players aren't going to want to take those sort of things away. They are pretty happy with the system the way it is now for the most part I would have thought.

 

It comes down to the argument of having a hard cap as the NHL's introduced, or allowing your bigger market teams to spend over the cap and pay a luxury tax if they wish, but that has caused the issues with the likes of Melo, Lebron, Bosh etc. going to whichever team they want in Free Agency.

 

 

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QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:19 AM)
Yeah I've got no doubts that the NBA is probably on the owners side here (otherwise contraction would be a big possibility).

 

They definitely want a hard cap and probably the ability to release players from overpriced contracts as you can do in the NFL (so we don't have situations such as Jerome James' and Eddy Curry's occurring again).

 

As I've said though, the players aren't going to want to take those sort of things away. They are pretty happy with the system the way it is now for the most part I would have thought.

 

It comes down to the argument of having a hard cap as the NHL's introduced, or allowing your bigger market teams to spend over the cap and pay a luxury tax if they wish, but that has caused the issues with the likes of Melo, Lebron, Bosh etc. going to whichever team they want in Free Agency.

The big issue here is that the current system screws a majority of the owners in favor of the few fortunate owners who happen to be in the largest market or have a good enough party scene. That means that it's not just the players versus the owners, what's best for the league isn't best for all of the owners.

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Dallas Mavericks shooting guard DeShawn Stevenson was arrested for public intoxication in Irving, Texas, on Tuesday night, two days after the franchise won its first NBA championship.

 

Irving police were called to the Grand Venetian apartment complex at about 10:30 p.m. CT after receiving a call to report an intoxicated person walking in the area. Officers reported that Stevenson, who does not live at the complex, appeared intoxicated and did not know where he was.

 

He was arrested without incident on a Class C misdemeanor charge, based on the results of a sobriety test, an officer's observations and his statements.

 

"They felt he was a danger to himself and others," Irving public information officer John Argumaniz said. "Basically, he was intoxicated to a point where [police] didn't feel comfortable letting him walk away or leave. They didn't have any other options at that point."

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The owners of the Sacramento Kings have surrendered controlling interest in their Las Vegas casino, in a deal that they say improves their finances considerably.

 

After months of negotiations, the Maloof family announced Tuesday that it has reached a "recapitalization" agreement with the Palms Casino's main creditors, investment firms TPG Capital and Leonard Green & Partners.

 

Co-owner George Maloof said the deal erases the Palms' debt but leaves the family, which built the trendy casino a decade ago, with less than 50 percent of the equity. That gives controlling interest to TPG and Green.

 

But Maloof, who enjoys a high profile in Las Vegas, said he will continue to run the Palms. He said "it's not disappointing at all" that controlling interest has passed to the creditors.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 02:07 PM)
Very impressive DeShawn Stevenson. Even Patrick Kane managed to never get arrested during his drunken title celebrations, and it only took you about 24 hours.

 

Let's just say I wouldn't have wanted to have been the cop to climb up on the float and arrest Kane.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 04:30 PM)
The article headline "Rubio talking to Barcelona about his future" comes across a lot stronger than anything in the article.

 

I'm on pins and needles over whether a guy that averaged 6.5/3.2/3.5 on 31 percent shooting in 20 Spanish League games will come over here.

 

It would make sense for him to consider staying there though simply due to the labor situation. Even if he wasn't hot garbage.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6665654&campaign=rss&source=NEWYORKHeadlines&ex_cid=2011_local_ob_ny_ban_lnk

 

As Chicago White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski watched the LeBron James drama unfold after the NBA Finals, he couldn't but help think of a baseball equivalent.

 

pierzynski (LeBron James and Alex Rodriguez) are at the top of their sport, the best of the best, and they're under such a microscope every day that no matter what they did or how hard they tried to make things right, it seems like they always find a way to say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing. It's a shame, but that's the life they live.

” -- A.J. Pierzynski

 

"It's kind of like what (New York Yankees star Alex Rodriguez) ran into a while there," Pierzynski said Wednesday on "The Carmen, Jurko & Harry Show" on ESPN 1000. "It's almost like he was trying to do everything so right that it came out wrong.

 

"(James and Rodriguez) are at the top of their sport, the best of the best, and they're under such a microscope every day that no matter what they did or how hard they tried to make things right, it seems like they always find a way to say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing. It's a shame, but that's the life they live."

 

After James' Miami Heat were eliminated by the Dallas Mavericks in Game 6 on Sunday, James was asked about the people who rooted against him. He said those people would have to wake up the next day with the same problems they had before Miami lost, and he would go on enjoying the life he had built for himself.

 

James clarified the remarks on Tuesday to say he wasn't implying that he was better than anyone.

 

"I woke up the next day rooting against him, and I still have the same life, so it worked out great for me," Pierzynski said. "He got himself into a position of such scrutiny and -- I don't know if pressure is the right word -- it seems he means well and wants to do all the right things and say all the right things, and sometimes it doesn't come out right."

 

A.J. Pierzynski joined "The Carmen, Jurko & Harry Show" on ESPN 1000 and compared LeBron James to Alex Rodriguez.

 

Before Tuesday's game, Rodriguez talked to the New York Post about the pressure of winning a championship and the need to remember James is just 26 years old, and is a talent to be celebrated.

 

"I'm sure LeBron will win a title, and everyone will forget about this," Pierzynski said. "But with all the stuff that went into this (Heat) team, and all the drama that followed it, for them to lose and lose the way they did with the coughing [in an apparent mocking of Dirk Nowitzki's cold] and all that was just not good timing on their parts."

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QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 10:57 AM)
I'm on pins and needles over whether a guy that averaged 6.5/3.2/3.5 on 31 percent shooting in 20 Spanish League games will come over here.

 

It would make sense for him to consider staying there though simply due to the labor situation. Even if he wasn't hot garbage.

 

He was injured, I am pretty sure his numbers were affected

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