kjshoe04 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Didn't we already have him once and give him away for nothing? Yes, I was so mad. I'm pretty sure I heard Skiles wanted nothing to do with him so they sent him off for Howard Eisley, ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Didn't we already have him once and give him away for nothing? We had him for literally 10 days and dealt him away for s*** in the off-season. Didn't even suit up for the Bulls. Obviously the Bulls value "character guys" so J.R. was not a fit there. As far as a team standpoint and need however, he is a perfect fit... a non crazy J.R. Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) yup. waived before he played 1 minute Under the Skiles regime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 08:43 PM) His point was that JR Smith isn't an effective three point shooter and only makes them because he shoots a lot, which simply isn't true at all. Yes, he shoots a lot of threes, but yes, he also converts on a high percentage of them. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:02 PM) Nope. My point was comparing JR Smith and his role in an offense to anything Derrick Rose does is simply idiotic. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) For someone who "puts the ball in the hoop", JR Smith is incredibly ineffective of doing that at a high percentage. Sure, you are going to make a lot of threes when you shoot 4 per game like he did last year. That's down from the 6.2 (SIX POINT TWO) that he attempted per game the year prior. Are you being intentionally dense now? Edited June 28, 2011 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Steve, this was entirely unnecessary. Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Steve, this was entirely unnecessary. You deleted the YouTube clip???? Why?? That video is hilarious and has been on soxtalk before. What is happening here??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Are you being intentionally dense now? Actually, dude who likes to quote and bold things, my point was that JR Smith is incredibly ineffective at putting the ball in the hoop. As nowhere near the focal point of an offense... ever... JR Smith has taken about as many shots as points scored over his career. Scoring 12 points on 10 shots isn't some sort of amazing lights out shooter just creating like Magic Johnson, that's just an inefficient ball player doing what I said he does, inefficiently chucking. Is he an upgrade from what the Bulls had in 10/11? Absolutely. Balta would be an upgrade. However, is JR Smith where the Bulls should aim if they want to win a championship? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) Actually, dude who likes to quote and bold things, my point was that JR Smith is incredibly ineffective at putting the ball in the hoop. As nowhere near the focal point of an offense... ever... JR Smith has taken about as many shots as points scored over his career. Scoring 12 points on 10 shots isn't some sort of amazing lights out shooter just creating like Magic Johnson, that's just an inefficient ball player doing what I said he does, inefficiently chucking. I'm honestly speechless right now, given some of the arguments about efficiency in this thread in the past. How can you be this blatantly hypocritical without realizing it? Am I missing something? You're just trolling me right now, right? There's a camera in here to grab my reaction and everything. SMILE! YOU'RE ON CANDID CAMERA!?! Edited June 28, 2011 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 10:23 PM) You deleted the YouTube clip???? Why?? That video is hilarious and has been on soxtalk before. What is happening here??? What youtube clip? I was referring to the personal attacks part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 10:29 PM) Actually, dude who likes to quote and bold things, my point was that JR Smith is incredibly ineffective at putting the ball in the hoop. As nowhere near the focal point of an offense... ever... JR Smith has taken about as many shots as points scored over his career. Scoring 12 points on 10 shots isn't some sort of amazing lights out shooter just creating like Magic Johnson, that's just an inefficient ball player doing what I said he does, inefficiently chucking. Is he an upgrade from what the Bulls had in 10/11? Absolutely. Balta would be an upgrade. However, is JR Smith where the Bulls should aim if they want to win a championship? No way. Thank you for the attempted compliment. But no....no.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) What youtube clip? I was referring to the personal attacks part. I didnt consider that a personal attack or I'd have not posted it. I hope Felix knows I value his NBA mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:34 PM) Thank you for the attempted compliment. But no....no.... I heard you are a guaranteed 15 pt 7 ast player, you are telling me this is untrue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) I didnt consider that a personal attack or I'd have not posted it. I hope Felix knows I value his NBA mind. Honestly, I could not care less what you think of my opinion, especially when it's so incredibly obvious you don't even read my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) Honestly, I could not care less what you think of my opinion, especially when it's so incredibly obvious you don't even read my posts. Probably best for all parties involved since you seem to speaking another language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) Probably best for all parties involved since you seem to speaking another language. No, he is just ridiculously smarter than you in basketball intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 10:08 PM) No, he is just ridiculously smarter than you in basketball intellect. As long as scoring and 3 point shooting mean the exact same thing then yeah I guess you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 10:20 PM) As long as scoring and 3 point shooting mean the exact same thing then yeah I guess you are right. Rose and Smith had the same exact TS% last season, too. And again, so you don't get uppity as if I kicked your dog in the balls, ROSE IS A FAR BETTER PLAYER THAN SMITH. IT'S REALLY NOT CLOSE. I PUT THIS IN CAPS BECAUSE IF I DON'T YOU'LL OBVIOUSLY MISS THIS KEY PART OF MY POST. But if you're going to call Smith a terribly ineffective player at putting the basket in the hoop, then go out of your way to blast Smith for his inefficiency and his points per shot (2010-11 -- Smith 1.24 pps; Rose 1.27 pps | I'll also point out that pps isn't the best way to evaluate efficiency, as it ignores the type of shot you're actually taking, but you brought it up in the first place so I'll use your flawed metric), and yet still refuse to even imagine the possibility that Rose has efficiency issues similar to those you've suggested of Smith, then I really don't know what to say. Maybe I've overestimated your ability to put 1 and 1 together to equal 2, I don't know. I've preached about efficiency for the entire season in the NBA thread only to be told that stats are stupid and mean nothing from just about everyone (yourself included). I really can't handle the hypocrisy you've had in the last page or two. Edited June 28, 2011 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) Actually, dude who likes to quote and bold things, my point was that JR Smith is incredibly ineffective at putting the ball in the hoop. As nowhere near the focal point of an offense... ever... JR Smith has taken about as many shots as points scored over his career. Scoring 12 points on 10 shots isn't some sort of amazing lights out shooter just creating like Magic Johnson, that's just an inefficient ball player doing what I said he does, inefficiently chucking. Is he an upgrade from what the Bulls had in 10/11? Absolutely. Balta would be an upgrade. However, is JR Smith where the Bulls should aim if they want to win a championship? No way. You're being a bit ridiculous here. No one ever claimed that Smith is some superstar. However, he's extremely talented and may be the best option out of the people that the Bulls could realistcally get. Smith averaged 1.24 points per shot last year. That would have been third on the Bulls, better than Deng and Boozer and only .03 behind basketball god Derrick Rose (#1 is Noah, who doesn't exactly create his own shots). Yes, Rose shoots a lot more. However, not every shot is a good one for him. If he can remove some of those bad shots that he's forced to take right now, it would help his efficiency and in turn the team's offensive efficiency. Smith's ability to hit jumpers, especially from outside would greatly improve their floor spacing and make life easier for Rose. He wouldn't have to force up 25 shots as often and a few more of his passes to wide open shooters would result in assists. Smith also produces those points in relatively few minutes (25 MPG this year, and he averaged 15 when he was playing 28 MPG), so you can still get 20 minutes for your better defensive players. Is he the perfect answer? No, but if you're going to sit here waiting for Kevin Martin to fall into their laps, you're very likely to be disappointed. Edited June 28, 2011 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 How much money will the Bulls even have to spend in FA, hypothetically? If they could afford either of Smith or Richardson, I'd be down. Rip Hamilton is another guy who would be a nice fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 10:03 PM) How much money will the Bulls even have to spend in FA, hypothetically? If they could afford either of Smith or Richardson, I'd be down. Rip Hamilton is another guy who would be a nice fit. Honestly, nobody really has a clue. This lockout could last an entire season for all we know. Almost everybody agrees it will go into next season. So by the time they do make a deal, whenever that is, how the deal will look is something nobody really knows. It'll likely be a lot more owner friendly than this one though, that much is pretty likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) Honestly, nobody really has a clue. This lockout could last an entire season for all we know. Almost everybody agrees it will go into next season. So by the time they do make a deal, whenever that is, how the deal will look is something nobody really knows. It'll likely be a lot more owner friendly than this one though, that much is pretty likely. The smart guess is on the high end, a mid-level exception to get a Richardson type. The low end, really nothing more than a couple million. Right now, the Bulls are at $60,726,162. Bogans, I am convinced will be gone, so that would free up nearly $2 million. Then you got Jimmy butler's salary. So with 10 roster spots, you are close to that same original number. Then you gotta add 3-4 more players. And worry about D-Rose re-signing if there is a hard cap. But whatever we have, it won't be much and it will take a already proven NBA player to come here for less money. And there may not be a MLE, too. Overall, just very hard to predict. Edited June 28, 2011 by maggsmaggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 11:03 PM) How much money will the Bulls even have to spend in FA, hypothetically? If they could afford either of Smith or Richardson, I'd be down. Rip Hamilton is another guy who would be a nice fit. I think we're all clueless on that front. This is all speculation. That's why in this random speculation I greatly prefer the idea of Jason Richardson to that of chuck specialist JR Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 08:32 AM) I think we're all clueless on that front. This is all speculation. That's why in this random speculation I greatly prefer the idea of Jason Richardson to that of chuck specialist JR Smith. So JR Smith is a chucker but Jason Richardson is a good efficient score? Similar TS% for both but less shot attempts for JR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) So JR Smith is a chucker but Jason Richardson is a good efficient score? Similar TS% for both but less shot attempts for JR... Well, I'm seriously banking that Richardson isn't as bad as 2010/2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 08:53 AM) Well, I'm seriously banking that Richardson isn't as bad as 2010/2011. I really wouldn't mind Richardson either, again though not a top choice. I personally don't think the Bulls were as far away as other people seem to think. If we had a 2 who could create and knock down 3s we could have easily won the Heat series. And that's with DRose playing pretty atrociously. Edited June 28, 2011 by WHarris1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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