ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I'm sorry for actual NBA fans if this lockout is as long as many project it is...but from a personal, selfish standpoint, I was hoping for this. I hope David Stern is even more vilified, I hope he is eventually, somehow, forced out of the league (unlikely) and I am grateful I won't have to hear about how good the Thunder are for a little while. I will never forgive David Stern for what he let happen to the Sonics, so anything bad that happens to him (or his league) I currently have no problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) You gotta love Thibs... see you in a long time NBA. Dude is so going to be a stroke victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) I'm sorry for actual NBA fans if this lockout is as long as many project it is...but from a personal, selfish standpoint, I was hoping for this. I hope David Stern is even more vilified, I hope he is eventually, somehow, forced out of the league (unlikely) and I am grateful I won't have to hear about how good the Thunder are for a little while. I will never forgive David Stern for what he let happen to the Sonics, so anything bad that happens to him (or his league) I currently have no problem with. I like David Stern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) Dude is so going to be a stroke victim. 8 months of sitting back, watching film, and having no one to coach? Might be the longest vacation for him in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) I like David Stern. Even if you think David Stern is the greatest commish any sport has ever had, you also have to add in the "but yeah, Sonics fans, we know" clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) I'm sorry for actual NBA fans if this lockout is as long as many project it is...but from a personal, selfish standpoint, I was hoping for this. I hope David Stern is even more vilified, I hope he is eventually, somehow, forced out of the league (unlikely) and I am grateful I won't have to hear about how good the Thunder are for a little while. I will never forgive David Stern for what he let happen to the Sonics, so anything bad that happens to him (or his league) I currently have no problem with. Stern MADE the NBA happen. Utah and Denver were about to fold before he became the commish and capitalized on budding superstars. The Sonics leaving had more to do with worthless fans than David Stern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 So, what are the rules about players playing overseas or with another league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 09:26 AM) So, what are the rules about players playing overseas or with another league? I think if you are under contract, you can't. As a FA, you could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Scalabrine is already reportedly on his way to Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) The Sonics leaving had more to do with worthless fans than David Stern. come on man, that is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:26 AM) Stern MADE the NBA happen. Utah and Denver were about to fold before he became the commish and capitalized on budding superstars. The Sonics leaving had more to do with worthless fans than David Stern. This statement shows you have zero clue about what actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 09:39 AM) This statement shows you have zero clue about what actually happened. 3 out of every 4 voters wouldnt approve a subsidy to keep the team in town. They had a chance to give the owners a big f*** you we are keeping our team, but they didnt feel like it. Additionally Seattle has the opportunity to recreate the Sonics if they want as all of the logos and the name are protected by the city and the NBA. s*** even people in Cleveland could get it together enough to bring back their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) 3 out of every 4 voters wouldnt approve a subsidy to keep the team in town. They had a chance to give the owners a big f*** you we are keeping our team, but they didnt feel like it. Additionally Seattle has the opportunity to recreate the Sonics if they want as all of the logos and the name are protected by the city and the NBA. s*** even people in Cleveland could get it together enough to bring back their team. Are you serious? They funded Key Arena when it was built 15 years earlier, they funded Safeco and they funded wherever the Seahawks play. All within a short time span. Then, a billionaire owner from Oklahoma comes in and buys the team and demands an arena upgrade? No, that's bulls***. He also proposed a new building in one of the worst and most inconvenient areas of the city. It was a proposal designed to not receive support. I don't know if you ever read any of Simmons columns, or watched SonicsGate (great documentary by the way) or really paid attention to what happened, but Bennett never had any intention of keeping that team there. E-mails even leaked out confirming that fact. David Stern knew this, he and Clay are long time good pals. He did nothing to prevent this. And the city holds the rights to the name, logo, records etc because Clay Bennett bought out the last year of the lease from the mayor so he could leave a year early. This is not at all on the fans. What happened was disgusting and it should be eye opening to every fan of any team in any sport, because precedent has been set and it could happen to just about anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 03:49 PM) 3 out of every 4 voters wouldnt approve a subsidy to keep the team in town. They had a chance to give the owners a big f*** you we are keeping our team, but they didnt feel like it. Additionally Seattle has the opportunity to recreate the Sonics if they want as all of the logos and the name are protected by the city and the NBA. s*** even people in Cleveland could get it together enough to bring back their team. Frankly the onus is not on taxpayers. The league approved a purchase from owners from Oklahoma. They said the right things, but they never intended on keeping the team in Seattle. If the white sox ownership suddenly demanded a new stadium to be publicly funded, and the taxpayers didn't approve, you would put the blame on sox fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 03:49 PM) 3 out of every 4 voters wouldnt approve a subsidy to keep the team in town. They had a chance to give the owners a big f*** you we are keeping our team, but they didnt feel like it. There was no way the team was going to stay in town. Bennett wanted them in OKC. He was going to make outrageous demands of Seattle and once they couldn't meet them, whooosh, off they go. "Hi, I just bought this team for $350 million. Now build me a $500 million stadium." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 09:55 AM) Are you serious? They funded Key Arena when it was built 15 years earlier, they funded Safeco and they funded wherever the Seahawks play. All within a short time span. Then, a billionaire owner from Oklahoma comes in and buys the team and demands an arena upgrade? No, that's bulls***. He also proposed a new building in one of the worst and most inconvenient areas of the city. It was a proposal designed to not receive support. I don't know if you ever read any of Simmons columns, or watched SonicsGate (great documentary by the way) or really paid attention to what happened, but Bennett never had any intention of keeping that team there. E-mails even leaked out confirming that fact. David Stern knew this, he and Clay are long time good pals. He did nothing to prevent this. And the city holds the rights to the name, logo, records etc because Clay Bennett bought out the last year of the lease from the mayor so he could leave a year early. This is not at all on the fans. What happened was disgusting and it should be eye opening to every fan of any team in any sport, because precedent has been set and it could happen to just about anyone. They could have stayed if they funded the new one and you can still have your Sonics just like Cleveland recreated their Browns. There have been teams that have tried to relocate for the exact same reasons (White Sox anyone) and they stayed. Those films and articles are very nicely put together from the Seattle POV, and I understand that there was alot of douchebaggery involved, but the fans and the city could have kept them if they wanted, instead they said it didnt matter if they left and their lawsuits were weak at best. A paltry 3,000 (est) fans showed up in protest to them leaving outside of the courthouse. I dont buy that it was all one-sided, and I certainly dont buy that Stern was at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:01 AM) Frankly the onus is not on taxpayers. The league approved a purchase from owners from Oklahoma. They said the right things, but they never intended on keeping the team in Seattle. If the white sox ownership suddenly demanded a new stadium to be publicly funded, and the taxpayers didn't approve, you would put the blame on sox fans? Well, that has already happened hasnt it? We pay a hefty subsidy for the Sox to stay in town every year. Otherwise they would be in St Petersburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) They could have stayed if they funded the new one and you can still have your Sonics just like Cleveland recreated their Browns. There have been teams that have tried to relocate for the exact same reasons (White Sox anyone) and they stayed. Those films and articles are very nicely put together from the Seattle POV, and I understand that there was alot of douchebaggery involved, but the fans and the city could have kept them if they wanted, instead they said it didnt matter if they left and their lawsuits were weak at best. A paltry 3,000 (est) fans showed up in protest to them leaving outside of the courthouse. I dont buy that it was all one-sided, and I certainly dont buy that Stern was at fault. Watch this film and read the Simmons article. It spells out everything that happened. I can't fault Bennett for wanting to bring a team to his hometown, but I can fault him for being a douchebag and lying and the way he handles it. I can fault Howard Schultz for selling so quickly to an out of towner without giving an ample chance for a local buyer to come forward. And I fault David Stern for, at best turning a blind eye, and at worst for facilitating this. Faulting the fans is ridiculous. They historically had been one of the best in the league ad Seattle itself has served as a hotbed for talent. The last couple years of their existence are not indicative of the fan base, as Bennett & Co. were doing everything in their power to turn people away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) Well, that has already happened hasnt it? We pay a hefty subsidy for the Sox to stay in town every year. Otherwise they would be in St Petersburg. And asking the taxpayers to fit the bill again 20 years later? Would never happen, publicly funded stadiums is an era coming to a close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) They could have stayed if they funded the new one and you can still have your Sonics just like Cleveland recreated their Browns. There have been teams that have tried to relocate for the exact same reasons (White Sox anyone) and they stayed. Those films and articles are very nicely put together from the Seattle POV, and I understand that there was alot of douchebaggery involved, but the fans and the city could have kept them if they wanted, instead they said it didnt matter if they left and their lawsuits were weak at best. A paltry 3,000 (est) fans showed up in protest to them leaving outside of the courthouse. I dont buy that it was all one-sided, and I certainly dont buy that Stern was at fault. Come on, Rock. You've been check f***ing mated. You are way off on this one. It happens to the best of us, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) Scalabrine is already reportedly on his way to Europe. Taking his talents to Dublin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 What the f*** is Michael Jordan wearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) What the f*** is Michael Jordan wearing? Yeah, saw the Bernstein tweet too... I don't care about what he's wearing, I'm just glad he's clearly back in awesome shape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) Come on, Rock. You've been check f***ing mated. You are way off on this one. It happens to the best of us, bro. I disagree. Seattle's gov't and also the taxpayers had a chance to save the team, they didnt, end of story. They now have the chance to bring the Sonics back if they want to, and I havent seen any movement for it quite yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:11 AM) Watch this film and read the Simmons article. It spells out everything that happened. I can't fault Bennett for wanting to bring a team to his hometown, but I can fault him for being a douchebag and lying and the way he handles it. I can fault Howard Schultz for selling so quickly to an out of towner without giving an ample chance for a local buyer to come forward. And I fault David Stern for, at best turning a blind eye, and at worst for facilitating this. Faulting the fans is ridiculous. They historically had been one of the best in the league ad Seattle itself has served as a hotbed for talent. The last couple years of their existence are not indicative of the fan base, as Bennett & Co. were doing everything in their power to turn people away. I'll take a look although I must be honest, I really dont care much about the topic. It sucks for Seattle fans who really liked the Sonics, but does it really matter to them anymore? I tried to find blogs or movements to bring them back etc and couldnt find one. I remember first hand the uproar in Cleveland when the Browns moved for seemingly no reason, and they really fought to bring them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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