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I think more to the point is this:

 

Operating revenue was cut from $1.87 billion in 1993 to $1.2 billion in 1994 and didn't reach its former mark until 1997. The endless public bickering between the union and management became a huge turnoff, and instead sports fans tuned in to Michael Jordan and the NBA, NASCAR and the new cable channels that created a seemingly endless supply of sports alternatives on television.

 

 

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QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 04:35 PM)
I mean, say what you want about the NBA and Rajon Rondo, but there isn't anyone else in the game today that could do this:

 

Rajon Rondo is a great distributer and that is a pretty cool alley hoop, but they playing against scrubs I bet a bunch of NBA guys can do that. The guy also was standing wide open next to the basket for how long? Even the bench warmers(minus Scalabrine) have such amazing talent above anyone else that if you put them in those kind of leagues they could look Jordan esque.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 06:02 PM)
Oh I have but that's oop is really not that difficult.

 

Maya Moore could make that pass.

 

There's one thing to make that pass, and there's one thing to have good court awareness to make a pass like that. Alot of PGs in the NBA would either throw a bullet pass down low in the key in that situation, or look at said player. (and a defender might get back in the play) Rondo has always been one of the top PGs in the game as far as his passing (his I.Q., wingspan, awareness etc. is just utter worldly). But for a guy like him, I would have been more impressed if he was making consistent jump shots (or.. pretty much going Kevin Durant on an AND1 team).

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 15, 2011 -> 05:51 AM)
There's one thing to make that pass, and there's one thing to have good court awareness to make a pass like that. Alot of PGs in the NBA would either throw a bullet pass down low in the key in that situation, or look at said player. (and a defender might get back in the play) Rondo has always been one of the top PGs in the game as far as his passing (his I.Q., wingspan, awareness etc. is just utter worldly). But for a guy like him, I would have been more impressed if he was making consistent jump shots (or.. pretty much going Kevin Durant on an AND1 team).

It was an exhibition game so that obviously makes it much simpler to complete. And yes Rondo is a great pg, never said he wasn't. Absolutely can't stand the guy but he's a very good player.

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Rose opens his mouth, gets a headline, but it's not as embarrassing as most.

Derrick Rose doesn't get upset often, but the Chicago Bulls star had a distinct edge to his voice Saturday discussing the contentious NBA lockout.

 

"It's sad. It's very sad," Rose said of the lockout, which has wiped out training camp, exhibition games and the early part of the regular 2011-12 season. "Everybody knows it's not our fault. It's definitely not our fault. If it were up to us, we'd be out there playing. But I think that it's wrong. I know (the owners) can easily take care of it and not take advantage of people. But I guess that's how people are.

 

"(The owners are) not thinking about anything we're saying. They're not taking it into consideration, nothing that we're trying to give them. We'll just have to see how it goes."

 

Rose said a partial regular season seemed a likely scenario.

 

"It is," he said. "(But) I can't say nothing about it."

 

Rose lives in Los Angeles during the offseason, where he works out with his trainer, but was back in town for an all-day promotional event for his new signature adidas shoe, the adizero Rose 2. He would have rather been at the Berto Center, preparing for the regular season.

 

"The biggest thing is you just want to get back out there and play," he said. "It's going to hurt us, but I think it's going to hurt basketball, period. Where we had a great year last year, and for us not to have a season this year, or taking this long to come up with a deal, I think that's wrong."

 

Rose said he hasn't been at any of the bargaining sessions because of his schedule, but that he's planning to talk with NBPA president Derek Fisher, with whom he shared a trip to the Philippines for a basketball exhibition this summer, and Paul Pierce soon.

 

Rose, the reigning Most Valuable Player, has a lot to lose, on and off the court, from the lockout. His ascent from All-Star to MVP was quicker than anyone anticipated, and now he's become an international marketing star. He's also a gym rat. The 6-foot-3 point guard has spent the summer developing a better post-up game.

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Anyone been following ESPN's NBA player rankings? Pretty terrible top ten.

 

Lebron - how? He's not even the best player on his team.

Howard - Top 10, dunno about 2. Best defensive player, but still a liability on offense late in games

Wade - when healthy and rested he's one of the best. #2 in my book.

Dirk - #1 right now, not sure how anyone can question that.

CP3 - too high. this is a list of greatest players, not potential greatest players.

Durant - about right

Kobe - about right

Rose - few spots too low but can't complain

DWill - love the guy but too high. Has yet to show he can lead a team to a deep playoff run like some of these other guys. Still a top 3 PG though.

Griffin - ridiculous. no where close to top 10. Probably the best or second best PF in the game, but his team won about 30 games last year.

 

Other questionables:

 

Kevin Love at 16

Rondo at 17

 

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 01:51 PM)
Anyone been following ESPN's NBA player rankings? Pretty terrible top ten.

 

Lebron - how? He's not even the best player on his team.

The drugs you ingested prior to this post made it too obvious that you are high. LeBron is the best player on his own team, and it's not even close.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 01:54 PM)
The drugs you ingested prior to this post made it too obvious that you are high. LeBron is the best player on his own team, and it's not even close.

 

You apparently suffered a bout of amnesia through the 2010-2011 playoffs when Wade clearly outplayed him 2 of the last 3 series they played.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 01:59 PM)
You apparently suffered a bout of amnesia through the 2010-2011 playoffs when Wade clearly outplayed him 2 of the last 3 series they played.

 

Out playing someone over two series versus a season, is the very definition of small sample size. I hate James, and have no doubt he is the best player in the NBA, and by a large margin.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 02:01 PM)
Out playing someone over two series versus a season, is the very definition of small sample size. I hate James, and have no doubt he is the best player in the NBA, and by a large margin.

 

End of the game, championship on the line. Who do you give the ball to? Wade or Lebron? Unless you answer Lebron, I dunno how he can be considered the greatest.

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I agree with Marc Stein:

 

Marc Stein, ESPN.com: Too high. LeBron is still the best all-around player and best two-way player in the game on this scorecard. But you can't be No. 1 if you fall as far short in the finishing department as he did in the NBA Finals. He has to take a dip after that performance. It's only proper.
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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 07:05 PM)
End of the game, championship on the line. Who do you give the ball to? Wade or Lebron? Unless you answer Lebron, I dunno how he can be considered the greatest.

 

That's a rather tiny piece of analysis and probably doesn't even favor Wade by that much. You'd take Lebron for the other 47.5 minutes. You'd also take Lebron in the "end of the game, championship on the line, need someone to stop them from scoring" scenario.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 02:05 PM)
End of the game, championship on the line. Who do you give the ball to? Wade or Lebron? Unless you answer Lebron, I dunno how he can be considered the greatest.

 

Again, small sample size. By that measure Robert Horry is the best of all time.

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