Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) Since it went so well for Al Gore... He also, while working for the DOJ, beat Microsoft on an anti-trust case, he's on the team of attorneys for Jamie McCourt, and he worked with former solicitor general Olsen on a case which so far has beaten back California's Prop 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 So, how long before half the league goes broke, realizing KG and Pierce led them like sheep to slaughter? Who gets fat? My guess is Beasley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) So, how long before half the league goes broke, realizing KG and Pierce led them like sheep to slaughter? Who gets fat? My guess is Beasley. Does Baron Davis still count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Good job, clowns. I don't care about hockey and football happens once a week. I hope whatever proposal you end up agreeing to is s*** compared to the one you just turned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) Good job, clowns. I don't care about hockey and football happens once a week. I hope whatever proposal you end up agreeing to is s*** compared to the one you just turned down. Even if they pull off the exact same deal as the one they just turned down, they'll be out a billion dollars in earnings for the first 1/2 of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Stern sounds like he's ready to go to war by letting the players, Kessler, and Hunter destroy themselves. And they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) So, how long before half the league goes broke, realizing KG and Pierce led them like sheep to slaughter? Who gets fat? My guess is Beasley. We should probably get the drug bust picks out here too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ArashMarkazi Arash Markazi Again, regular season would start 30 days after a deal is made. I assume drop-dead date for a 50-game season would be around Jan. 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) ArashMarkazi Arash Markazi Again, regular season would start 30 days after a deal is made. I assume drop-dead date for a 50-game season would be around Jan. 6. Have you seen any estimate of the legal schedule? In the NFL Version, the Union decertified on March 11th, and the first arguments were heard on April 6th. A similar schedule here would put the first hearing happening right around Christmastime, and there's a few extra holidays stuck in there which will slow things down. The big decision that finally pushed a deal to happen took about 4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Stern basically said the season is dead, just not in those words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix Stern: "We're not issuing idle threats. They are going to start a lawsuit? We don't even understand the strategy." KCJHoop K.C Johnson More Stern: "They seem hellbent on self-destruction and it's very sad." KCJHoop K.C Johnson Even more Stern: "We were very close and the players blew it up." Also used the phrase "nuclear winter." Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) Even if they pull off the exact same deal as the one they just turned down, they'll be out a billion dollars in earnings for the first 1/2 of this season. I'd imagine. I'm just pissed off that it actually has gotten to the point where the season is unlikely, even though much of the speculation as far back as last season warned about just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 What a bunch of complete f***ing idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 03:00 PM) I'd imagine. I'm just pissed off that it actually has gotten to the point where the season is unlikely, even though much of the speculation as far back as last season warned about just that. If they lose the whole season, the players will be out ~$1.85 billion total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 24 hours of college basketball starts tonight. How poetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 @DarnellMayberry Darnell Mayberry Lots of players were smiling and joking just before the start of the news conference. Kobe Bryant looked pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) @DarnellMayberry Darnell Mayberry Lots of players were smiling and joking just before the start of the news conference. Kobe Bryant looked pissed. His contract pays him $25.244 million this year, $27.849 next year, and $30.453 the year after. IF Stern isn't kidding and they're going to respond by voiding all contracts in some fashion, and rewritten contracts will have to follow new CBA rules, this might well cost Kobe $40 million +. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) His contract pays him $25.244 million this year. KG and Pierce were getting nice money too. Doesn't change the fact that Kobe knew this deal was the best they'd get. Him, Ray, and a few other can get masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) Him, Ray, and a few other can get masters. Oh yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 So here's a question. If all contracts are voided, what does that mean if/when the league comes back? Will teams still hold restrictions on players who were under contract previously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) So here's a question. If all contracts are voided, what does that mean if/when the league comes back? Will teams still hold restrictions on players who were under contract previously? If this step happens, the answer will be "That is an issue for either the courts to decide or for the players and owners to collectively bargain in the future." It's basically totally up in the air. If both sides could agree to it, they could have everyone start off as a free agent & just let the league sort itself out anew. Not extremely likely, but there is no restriction left on anything if preexisting contracts are voided, unless the courts step in. You have to think that there are owners who are drooling over the idea of getting out from under some of these contracts, and they will take full advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) So here's a question. If all contracts are voided, what does that mean if/when the league comes back? Will teams still hold restrictions on players who were under contract previously? I'd imagine so. No different than drafting a guy without signing him. You still hold the rights, but no contract exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) If this step happens, the answer will be "That is an issue for either the courts to decide or for the players and owners to collectively bargain in the future." It's basically totally up in the air. If both sides could agree to it, they could have everyone start off as a free agent & just let the league sort itself out anew. Not extremely likely, but there is no restriction left on anything if preexisting contracts are voided, unless the courts step in. You have to think that there are owners who are drooling over the idea of getting out from under some of these contracts, and they will take full advantage of it. Are you sure? This doesn't make any sense to me. The NBA is still an entity with it's own rules and contracts. I'm guessing that when a player is drafted/signed there are two contracts/agreements signed - one between the player and the franchise, the other between the franchise and the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 03:19 PM) Are you sure? This doesn't make any sense to me. The NBA is still an entity with it's own rules and contracts. I'm guessing that when a player is drafted/signed there are two contracts/agreements signed - one between the player and the franchise, the other between the franchise and the NBA. No, I'm not sure, but the thing that doesn't make any sense to me is why decertifying would give the owners the right to void all remaining player contracts, yet that is exactly what Stern said, quite clearly, would happen. If the league has the power to void every existing player contract upon decertification, then everything from that point is now a matter for negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) So here's a question. If all contracts are voided, what does that mean if/when the league comes back? Will teams still hold restrictions on players who were under contract previously? In reality it just means that the players and owners will in all likelihood agree that the voiding never happened, when a settlement gets done. There is no way they set the entire NBA lose as a free agent without contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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