caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 02:27 AM) Cmon man we have the best pitching; that's gotta count for something at the end of all this. Now what the hell do we do with Rios Beckham Pierre and Morel? Something big has to happen there, big changes. Thankfully Pierre might have value again to another team; well at least enough value where we don't have to pay all of his salary It's doubtful we could get anything back for Pierre...just dumping the $2.5 million we owe him and freeing the position is the main issue. Beckham's fine for now, compared to most of our problems. Morel might need to split more and more time with Teahen until he starts putting up at least a 600-625 OPS. Teahen can take some walks and also drive the ball out of the yard. Rios to the bench, with DeAza/Lillibridge platoon until/unless both of them aren't productive, then you go back to Alex and try to get him going again like the first half of 2010 and put him through waivers, hoping to find a suitor. Probably stuck with him in 2012, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 05:13 AM) It's doubtful we could get anything back for Pierre...just dumping the $2.5 million we owe him and freeing the position is the main issue. Beckham's fine for now, compared to most of our problems. Morel might need to split more and more time with Teahen until he starts putting up at least a 600-625 OPS. Teahen can take some walks and also drive the ball out of the yard. Rios to the bench, with DeAza/Lillibridge platoon until/unless both of them aren't productive, then you go back to Alex and try to get him going again like the first half of 2010 and put him through waivers, hoping to find a suitor. Probably stuck with him in 2012, though. I'm all for these ideas as they represent probably the most drastic shake-up we can do in house. De Aza has earned his shot again and it's about time we have a true corner outfielder in LF. I guess Beckham can hack up 2nd for the next 4 years since his D is solid and offense is a bonus there. Maybe they should tell Moreal n Teahen that it's open competition again and somebody needs to win it for the September push if it exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Dayan has played 86 games this year at AAA, the same as last year. Interesting splits. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...&pid=493364 Scroll to the bottom of the page to see. Improvements in total number of hits, doubles, runs, RBI, walks, (less) strikeouts, AVG, OBP, SLG and OPS. Less HR by 4. Surprisingly. So he HAS become a more efficient hitter, developed a better eye at the plate, and getting on base MORE and showing more power overall. Yet...he's still in Charlotte because "we can't make room for him." Total BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Leading the IL in hits, RBI, total bases. Near the top in pretty much everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (OilCan @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 11:02 PM) Dayan has played 86 games this year at AAA, the same as last year. Interesting splits. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...&pid=493364 Scroll to the bottom of the page to see. Improvements in total number of hits, doubles, runs, RBI, walks, (less) strikeouts, AVG, OBP, SLG and OPS. Less HR by 4. Surprisingly. So he HAS become a more efficient hitter, developed a better eye at the plate, and getting on base MORE and showing more power overall. Yet...he's still in Charlotte because "we can't make room for him." Total BS. Not bringing him up for this Twins series is a FIREABLE OFFENSE. It just is. We are sitting back and letting the Twins take 4 more from us, just because we want to wait until the break to make it seem like we're not panicking. Well, these 4 losses are going to matter. They just will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Way to go, KW and Oz. Yeah we didn't need any changes entering this series, none at all. Well guys you are 2 down and 2 to go with the smart money on the Twinks in the next two. Dummies all of u. Dayan woulda given us a spark. How can you guys not see that???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I wouldn't be shocked if the gambler pushed all his chips in and traded Viciedo for a vet. Forget logic, we have people who have jobs on the line. We are passed the service date I believe. So why is he still down there. He is at max value right now. I hope I am very wrong, but something just doesn't add up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I wouldn't be shocked if the gambler pushed all his chips in and traded Viciedo for a vet. Forget logic, we have people who have jobs on the line. We are passed the service date I believe. So why is he still down there. He is at max value right now. I hope I am very wrong, but something just doesn't add up here. I can just see this coming, maybe not but with KW you never know. Trading our best prospect for a washed up veteran that will add absolutely no value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 But KW would have to be given permission to trade Viciedo, I'm sure. Certainly JR and the Board of Directors have to be realistic....that fighting off 3 teams that are all playing better than the White Sox isn't a very good gamble, especially after what's happened with Peavy, Dunn, Rios and Jackson. Viciedo is a future franchise hitter, and one of the few scouting determinations it seems they've gotten right since 2006. What were we trailing by when we waved the White Flag in 1997? I think it was only 3 1/2 GB, with the team meandering around .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 But KW would have to be given permission to trade Viciedo, I'm sure. Certainly JR and the Board of Directors have to be realistic....that fighting off 3 teams that are all playing better than the White Sox isn't a very good gamble, especially after what's happened with Peavy, Dunn, Rios and Jackson. Viciedo is a future franchise hitter, and one of the few scouting determinations it seems they've gotten right since 2006. What were we trailing by when we waved the White Flag in 1997? I think it was only 3 1/2 GB, with the team meandering around .500. I agree with this assessment Caul, i have not seen many prospects get better this quickwith so much upside. The last prospect that comes to mind (There could be others) was Hudson but his upside was not as high as DV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I could see them trading Viciedo for Granderson and two minor leaguers or to the Braves for some stiffs. If KW is gonna trade him, it will be at the break or shortly after cause he hasn't been up to make us all fall in baseball love with him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 12:44 AM) I could see them trading Viciedo for Granderson and two minor leaguers or to the Braves for some stiffs. If KW is gonna trade him, it will be at the break or shortly after cause he hasn't been up to make us all fall in baseball love with him again. Greg, who would the Yankees play in CF then? That's the reverse of a typical Yankees' deal. They're not going to trade away one of their best hitters in the middle of the season for an unproven prospect. And it would cost a lot more than Viciedo to acquire Granderson anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 02:09 AM) Greg, who would the Yankees play in CF then? That's the reverse of a typical Yankees' deal. They're not going to trade away one of their best hitters in the middle of the season for an unproven prospect. And it would cost a lot more than Viciedo to acquire Granderson anyway. Could they put Gardner in CF and Viciedo in LF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Hey Ozzie, keep playing Dunn against lefties. That .033 batting average doesn't reflect how well he's playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) WTF is going on here?!?! The Yankees aren't trading their .941-OPS hitting starting centerfielder who also happens to be one the 10 best players in MLB this year for a prospect. Granted Viciedo is really good, but Granderson is an established MLB All-Star who plays terrific defense and is hitting amazingly this year. Edited July 9, 2011 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) WTF is going on here?!?! The Yankees aren't trading their .941-OPS hitting starting centerfielder who also happens to be one the 10 best players in MLB this year for a prospect. Granted Viciedo is really good, but Granderson is an established MLB All-Star who plays terrific defense and is hitting amazingly this year. LOL I was just thinking the same thing. Why would the Yankees trade away arguably their best hitter this year when they're in 1st in the East? QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 12:53 AM) But KW would have to be given permission to trade Viciedo, I'm sure. Certainly JR and the Board of Directors have to be realistic....that fighting off 3 teams that are all playing better than the White Sox isn't a very good gamble, especially after what's happened with Peavy, Dunn, Rios and Jackson. Viciedo is a future franchise hitter, and one of the few scouting determinations it seems they've gotten right since 2006. What were we trailing by when we waved the White Flag in 1997? I think it was only 3 1/2 GB, with the team meandering around .500. Are we sure here? Because I heard the same s*** about the Sox' current 2B. Edited July 9, 2011 by whitesoxbrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Are we sure here? Because I heard the same s*** about the Sox' current 2B. There really are no sure things. I think he's going to be a hitting machine, but I could be wrong, too. Beckham never spent enough time in the minors to get a feel for how his numbers would translate from that level to the bigs, but I was front-and-center on his bandwagon based on his '09 performance. Haven't quite yet given up on Gordo becoming that player, though I will soon if nothing changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 06:41 PM) There really are no sure things. I think he's going to be a hitting machine, but I could be wrong, too. Beckham never spent enough time in the minors to get a feel for how his numbers would translate from that level to the bigs, but I was front-and-center on his bandwagon based on his '09 performance. Haven't quite yet given up on Gordo becoming that player, though I will soon if nothing changes. No sure thing, but he hit well last year when he was here, and is having a very productive season in the minors. He's a pretty good prospect, and, by all accounts, is a hard worker. I think his time has come, or should have come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 05:53 PM) No sure thing, but he hit well last year when he was here, and is having a very productive season in the minors. He's a pretty good prospect, and, by all accounts, is a hard worker. I think his time has come, or should have come. Gotta be Friday, right??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 So what's going on with Viciedo? He didn't play in either game of the DH today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 08:04 PM) So what's going on with Viciedo? He didn't play in either game of the DH today. KW better not trade him or this site will explode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 08:04 PM) So what's going on with Viciedo? He didn't play in either game of the DH today. 1.) He was given an early vacation to head to Arizona for the Future's Game. (My guess) 2.) He is hurt and needed a full day off. (possible) 3.) He finally got the call and will be up with the club. (doubtful, we would have heard some news about it by now) 4.) He got traded. (same as no. 3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Great stuff paulstar, totally forgot about Future's Game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 If he trades Viciedo this year, there will be a f***ing riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) If he trades Viciedo this year, there will be a f***ing riot. I will walk around the stadium tomorrow in my Viciedo shirt yelling "fock this club. I should manayer." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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