JohnCangelosi Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Who do you blame more for Juan Pierre STILL being on this ballclub in mid June? And why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:50 AM) Who do you blame more for Juan Pierre STILL being on this ballclub in mid June? And why? I say Kenny, as he MUST know that JP sucks, but is unwilling to rock the boat with Ozzie and create another rift which will be in the media by DFA'ing his darling Juan Pierre. We all know Ozzie should never make personnel decisions as he's proved how smart he is with Kotsay > Thome, Owens > Quentin, Juan > Viciedo. Etc etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Both. Ozzie for obvious reasons and KW for even having to trade for this below replacement level player in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 KW. He has final say on who is on the team and not. Ozzie only plays what he has. That's still not an excuse for him playing Juan everyday, but the onus is on KW make roster changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Great. Another thread on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Wonderful, another Juan Pierre thread. The issue just hasn't been talked about enough recently. Thankfully it's being brought to everyone's attention again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Its all on Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 we need a new sub forum for Pierre threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 11:04 AM) we need a new sub forum for Pierre threads As a Juan Pierre fan, I'd be honored to moderate such a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) we need a new sub forum for Pierre threads A "Hate On" Sub Forum would be quite popular - until we're in first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 10:56 AM) Great. Another thread on this. Beat me to it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) A "Hate On" Sub Forum would be quite popular - until we're in first place. I think we should call it "Pale Hose Talk" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Maybe it's all our fault, as in the posters on this board. Maybe Ozzie and KW read this board, and they say for every Juan Pierre thread that pops up he plays that many more games. If that's the case, we're stuck with him for a few more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Where is Option C: I blame neither because Juan Pierre deserves a spot on the roster? Some people think that, can they get a voting option as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Paz Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 04:59 PM) Wonderful, another Juan Pierre thread. The issue just hasn't been talked about enough recently. Thankfully it's being brought to everyone's attention again. In my opinion this issue can not be talked about too much. It's nice to imagine that the people in charge of the club that you root for know what they are doing. Eagerly acquiring a barely replacement level player because he happens to fit a certain profile, and then playing him every day no matter how he performs makes me feel very strongly that 2005 was a fluke and that Kenny & Ozzie are basically replacement level themselves. Edited June 15, 2011 by Carlo Paz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Carlo Paz @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 05:10 PM) In my opinion this issue can not be talked about too much. It's nice to imagine that the people in charge of the club that you root for know what they are doing. Eagerly acquiring a barely replacement level player because he happens to fit a certain profile, and then playing him every day no matter how he performs makes me feel very strongly that 2005 was a fluke and that Kenny & Ozzie are basically replacement level themselves. Edited June 15, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Where is Option C: I blame neither because Juan Pierre deserves a spot on the roster? Some people think that, can they get a voting option as well? That was meant to be green right? I don't think anyone believes he deserves a roster spot on this board. And regarding the guys b****ing about another Pierre thread, take your skirts off and deal with it. This is another angle that needs to be discussed as now it appears, if any of you were paying attention, that KW is now putting the whole debacle of Juan Pierre on Ozzie indirectly but publicly. Did you miss that? This is the kind of thing that could brew into a HUGE sh*t storm and it hasn't even been slightly talked about here. With the exception of Fathom's post, no one saw it, out of all of the posts regarding the recent Viciedo article that is now 10 pages long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) That was meant to be green right? I don't think anyone believes he deserves a roster spot on this board. And regarding the guys b****ing about another Pierre thread, take your skirts off and deal with it. This is another angle that needs to be discussed as now it appears, if any of you were paying attention, that KW is now putting the whole debacle of Juan Pierre on Ozzie indirectly but publicly. Did you miss that? This is the kind of thing that could brew into a HUGE sh*t storm and it hasn't even been slightly talked about here. With the exception of Fathom's post, no one saw it, out of all of the posts regarding the recent Viciedo article that is now 10 pages long. A roster spot? I have no problem with that. There is a market for 4th OFs with some speed. I just wish we had another guy who could hit leadoff to get him out of the line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 here, everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 05:20 PM) A roster spot? I have no problem with that. There is a market for 4th OFs with some speed. I just wish we had another guy who could hit leadoff to get him out of the line up. He doesn't profile as a good 4th outfielder. He is bad defensively, can only play one outfield position, and let's face it, his inability to steal bases efficiently now has negated his speed. Meanwhile, Lillibridge is the perfect 4th outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) Great. Another thread on this. My thoughts exactly. There is no debacle. Where is that vote? Edited June 15, 2011 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) A roster spot? I have no problem with that. There is a market for 4th OFs with some speed. I just wish we had another guy who could hit leadoff to get him out of the line up. Maybe we should do another poll on whether or not Juan Pierre would clear waivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) He doesn't profile as a good 4th outfielder. He is bad defensively, can only play one outfield position, and let's face it, his inability to steal bases efficiently now has negated his speed. Meanwhile, Lillibridge is the perfect 4th outfielder. And yet Milledge has a massive fan club two months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) My thoughts exactly. There is no debacle. Where is that vote? Please put comments like these in green so they are not misinterpreted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 06:28 PM) And yet Milledge has a massive fan club two months ago. Cause people didn't know that he was bad defensively. He also was supposed to be a lefty masher, which is something we've lacked lately from our outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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