witesoxfan Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:06 AM) Most of Coop's fixes are short term. Yet he is treated like a legend. How are they short term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:06 AM) Most of Coop's fixes are short term. Yet he is treated like a legend. Gavin Floyd farts in your general direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Whereas I am guessing it is a mechanical problem or injury if he has lost that much velocity, I wouldn't have a problem with a minor league deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 11:22 PM) based on the title of the thread, that seemed to be the implication Once he clears waivers he can sign anywhere, including for minor league deals, for the league minimum or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:45 AM) Whereas I am guessing it is a mechanical problem or injury if he has lost that much velocity, I wouldn't have a problem with a minor league deal. Really, it's a matter of where a guy like Kazmir wants to go. If he's comfortable trying out a different org, he'll go there. If he wants to come here and pitch for Charlotte, I wouldn't be mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 07:45 AM) Whereas I am guessing it is a mechanical problem or injury if he has lost that much velocity, I wouldn't have a problem with a minor league deal. Yea Charlotte could use another arm/starter. Dolsi and Zaleski are terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 06:30 AM) How are they short term? Eventually they retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 07:59 AM) Yea Charlotte could use another arm/starter. Dolsi and Zaleski are terrible. Doesn't really sound like Kazmir is any better right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:47 AM) Because the sox ought to have that reputation now. If Cooper can't fix a pitcher, no one can. I think that is the main story around the bigs. Sad to see the donwward spiral of a Scott Kazmir ior any other real good ball player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 10:58 AM) I think that is the main story around the bigs. Sad to see the donwward spiral of a Scott Kazmir ior any other real good ball player He's another guy that, based on his career arc, we might as well wonder if he had some "Help" as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 How smart is Tampa looking right now? They knew he was on a downward slope. Traded him at the perfect time and got two legitimate pieces in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 05:46 PM) He's another guy that, based on his career arc, we might as well wonder if he had some "Help" as well. Absolutely...it's crazy how he went from having such plus stuff to looking like Mark Buehrle on the mound (stuff wise). I know a lot of us used to think it was a sure loss when we'd face Kazmir in Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:58 AM) Absolutely...it's crazy how he went from having such plus stuff to looking like Mark Buehrle on the mound (stuff wise). I know a lot of us used to think it was a sure loss when we'd face Kazmir in Tampa. Back in '06, the only pitcher in the game that I thought had better 'stuff' was Liriano. That includes Santana, Halladay, Felix, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 12:01 PM) Back in '06, the only pitcher in the game that I thought had better 'stuff' was Liriano. That includes Santana, Halladay, Felix, etc. Tampa currently sits atop the "really smart franchise" rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) Tampa currently sits atop the "really smart franchise" rankings. This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Here's why we don't want him http://www.sportscasualties.com/2010/08/24...-sucks-but-why/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Ha, Kazmir is a pothead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) Here's why we don't want him http://www.sportscasualties.com/2010/08/24...-sucks-but-why/ Um, did no one catch this? According to the report which came from “two sources close to the Rays,” Kazmir was removed from the team because of the bad influence that he was on a number of its younger players. Most importantly, David Price. Kazmir’s primary smoking buddy had allegedly been Edwin Jackson who was traded at the end of 2008 for outfielder Matt Joyce. According to our sources, it was accepted among those close to the Rays that prior to the 2009 season, Kazmir liked to partake in illegal recreational activities with his good friend Edwin Jackson. It is unclear if this played a factor in Jackson being traded prior to the 2009 season. We will let you draw your own conclusions on that one Edited June 16, 2011 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Nice to see Jackson's name included. Absolutely no shock to those that saw him in Durham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 06:43 PM) Um, did no one catch this? According to the report which came from “two sources close to the Rays,” Kazmir was removed from the team because of the bad influence that he was on a number of its younger players. Most importantly, David Price. Kazmir’s primary smoking buddy had allegedly been Edwin Jackson who was traded at the end of 2008 for outfielder Matt Joyce. According to our sources, it was accepted among those close to the Rays that prior to the 2009 season, Kazmir liked to partake in illegal recreational activities with his good friend Edwin Jackson. It is unclear if this played a factor in Jackson being traded prior to the 2009 season. We will let you draw your own conclusions on that one Well that explains a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 If the Rays or Mets knew that Kazmir was a stoner and didn't disclose that when trading him, there is a huge issue there. I think there may be some truth to this story, just not all true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:33 PM) If the Rays or Mets knew that Kazmir was a stoner and didn't disclose that when trading him, there is a huge issue there. I think there may be some truth to this story, just not all true. I don't think the rays were mad that the mets didn't tell them. Otherwise, teams do give guys physicals before they approve deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:25 PM) I don't think the rays were mad that the mets didn't tell them. Otherwise, teams do give guys physicals before they approve deals. If a team trades a guy knowing he has some drug issue and doesn't disclose it to the other team, let's just say that doesn't fly. Perhaps they mentioned they have heard the rumors, maybe they even suspect it, etc. They could point to his drug test, or maybe the story just isn't that true. I'm sure if you made everyone on a MLB roster who has ever smoked pot take a week off, you would have a week without enough players to play a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Kazmir & EJax are just smoking the wrong s***. They need to call up Tiny Tim in SF and hook up with his dealer. That should turn their pitching around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) Kazmir & EJax are just smoking the wrong s***. They need to call up Tiny Tim in SF and hook up with his dealer. That should turn their pitching around. Although Big Time Timmy Jim hasn't been the same the past two years, but yeah, that guy has some dope sticky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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