southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) Wow, so you think Walker does a good job and deserves to stay in his role? I love how the assumption (word used on purpose) is always that Walker is the one who doesn't know what he is doing, even when he is in the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:00 PM) I love how the assumption (word used on purpose) is always that Walker is the one who doesn't know what he is doing, even when he is in the right. Well, it's his responsibility to get the players to adjust. If they're not listening to him, then either a new voice needs to be brought in or player needs to lose playing time in order to send a message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:02 PM) Well, it's his responsibility to get the players to adjust. If they're not listening to him, then either a new voice needs to be brought in or player needs to lose playing time in order to send a message. No offense, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If you don't listen at work, do they fire you, or your boss? If Beckham isn't listening and making adjustments, he is the one who needs to go, because he is the one who isn't doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:00 PM) I love how the assumption (word used on purpose) is always that Walker is the one who doesn't know what he is doing, even when he is in the right. A teacher may know that he needs to teach his students algebra, doesn't mean he can actually teach them it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:03 PM) No offense, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If you don't listen at work, do they fire you, or your boss? If Beckham isn't listening and making adjustments, he is the one who needs to go, because he is the one who isn't doing his job. Well, then why the hell do coaches ever get fired? And did I not say that one of the ways to deal with this is to bench players? If the hitting coach is going to have so little accountability, then why not save the money and just spend more on the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:05 PM) Well, then why the hell do coaches ever get fired? And did I not say that one of the ways to deal with this is to bench players? If the hitting coach is going to have so little accountability, then why not save the money and just spend more on the draft? If hitting coaches know what they are doing, they aren't the problem. If Gordon Beckham can't listen, he is the problem. Firing Walker because Gordon Beckham has a thick skull is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) A teacher may know that he needs to teach his students algebra, doesn't mean he can actually teach them it. If a student can't learn algebra, it isn't always the teachers fault either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:03 PM) No offense, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If you don't listen at work, do they fire you, or your boss? If Beckham isn't listening and making adjustments, he is the one who needs to go, because he is the one who isn't doing his job. What's the market for a mediocre 2B with no discernible tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) If hitting coaches know what they are doing, they aren't the problem. If Gordon Beckham can't listen, he is the problem. Firing Walker because Gordon Beckham has a thick skull is just stupid. GB had no hitch before Walker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) What's the market for a mediocre 2B with no discernible tool? Charlotte. He has options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) GB had no hitch before Walker! Really? It sure seemed like he had it when he came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:06 PM) If hitting coaches know what they are doing, they aren't the problem. If Gordon Beckham can't listen, he is the problem. Firing Walker because Gordon Beckham has a thick skull is just stupid. Doesn't it become mysterious though about why there's numerous players on a team that seem to not be able to impliment what Walker is trying to teach them (Rios and Beckham this year, Fields from previous seasons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) GB had no hitch before Walker! So obviously in Soxfest-land it was Walker who made him do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) If hitting coaches know what they are doing, they aren't the problem. If Gordon Beckham can't listen, he is the problem. Firing Walker because Gordon Beckham has a thick skull is just stupid. Or Walker isn't teaching the right fix, or isn't clear enough, or can't find the right message to Becks.... Fact is, this team isn't hitting with players that used to be able to hit, some of that can be attributed to growing older and losing some talent, but the young guys should be improving, or atleast not backpedaling, yes? Isn't that the job of the hitting coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Doesn't it become mysterious though about why there's numerous players on a team that seem to not be able to impliment what Walker is trying to teach them (Rios and Beckham this year, Fields from previous seasons). Did I miss the success that Fields had somewhere else? Did I miss your rants about how awful Rios was before he got here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 By my count the Sox have 42 quality starts in 70 games. That's 60% and on pace for 97 quality starts. That's very good. Good teams win between 75 and 80% of their quality starts. The Sox should have 31-34 wins in those 42 quality starts. The Sox are 25-17 in their 42 qualilty starts. So they should be 6-9 games better than they are with the starting pitching they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Doesn't it become mysterious though about why there's numerous players on a team that seem to not be able to impliment what Walker is trying to teach them (Rios and Beckham this year, Fields from previous seasons). Fields is just bad anywhere he goes, Walker can't fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) If a student can't learn algebra, it isn't always the teachers fault either. If a teacher can't teach algebra, then that classroom will have problems. I can play your games too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Keep defending a worthless hitting coach who teams have sucked since mid 2006 in Y2Kville. Edited June 16, 2011 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Pretty embarassing. We have an offense that has been shut out like 9 times already this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) Or Walker isn't teaching the right fix, or isn't clear enough, or can't find the right message to Becks.... Fact is, this team isn't hitting with players that used to be able to hit, some of that can be attributed to growing older and losing some talent, but the young guys should be improving, or atleast not backpedaling, yes? Isn't that the job of the hitting coach? Guys like Alexei Ramirez, Carlos Quentin, Brent Lillibridge, and Brent Morel don't count or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) Charlotte. He has options. Fair enough. Ship him out. I don't discriminate. Gordon Beckham has been below replacement level for a year and a half now. I'm sick of picking on JP. I know he sucks. Now it's Gordon's turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Keep defending a worthless hitting coach who teams have sucked since mid 2006 in Y2Kville. Keep making up stuff to go on with the mob mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Really? It sure seemed like he had it when he came up. Nothing like it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:11 PM) Guys like Alexei Ramirez, Carlos Quentin, Brent Lillibridge, and Brent Morel don't count or something? What the hell has Morel proven? That he can get a few flares to drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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