southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) If a teacher can't teach algebra, then that classroom will have problems. I can play your games too. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Guys like Alexei Ramirez, Carlos Quentin, Brent Lillibridge, and Brent Morel don't count or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) Guys like Alexei Ramirez, Carlos Quentin, Brent Lillibridge, and Brent Morel don't count or something? Paul Konerko too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Guys like Alexei Ramirez, Carlos Quentin, Brent Lillibridge, and Brent Morel don't count or something? Morel? Really? He's not that much different than Brian Anderson. Yeah, they'll go on an occasional singles binge. But ultimately they don't contribute much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) Paul Konerko too. The only reason he wasn't in there was because of the "young" qualifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) Morel? Really? He's not that much different than Brian Anderson. Yeah, they'll go on an occasional singles binge. But ultimately they don't contribute much. I don't think there's any point in his career where Anderson was hitting .250+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Did I miss the success that Fields had somewhere else? Did I miss your rants about how awful Rios was before he got here? Rios was good, not great before he got here, and then tried to impliment some ridiculous batting stance. Sure seemed like it went on far too long this year before they tried to get him to make adjustments. I truly didn't think there was a Sox fan left who thought Walker should keep his job, but I guess I'm wrong along with the rest of the "mob mentality". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) By my count the Sox have 42 quality starts in 70 games. That's 60% and on pace for 97 quality starts. That's very good. Good teams win between 75 and 80% of their quality starts. The Sox should have 31-34 wins in those 42 quality starts. The Sox are 25-17 in their 42 qualilty starts. So they should be 6-9 games better than they are with the starting pitching they have. No argument but really if we woud have held the lead in the games the pen blew up in we would have that many wins too. I guess no matter how you slice and dice it this team is performing way below were we should be. No doubt we could be the first place team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) What the hell has Morel proven? That he can get a few flares to drop? To this point, his contact rates have improved and his swing has gotten shorter. In otherwords, he is improving, especially over what we saw last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Keep making up stuff to go on with the mob mentality. Making up what the fact this team is enept hitting since June 2006. 5 years of this sos is hardly mob mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:14 PM) To this point, his contact rates have improved and his swing has gotten shorter. In otherwords, he is improving, especially over what we saw last year. Ball seemed to jump off his bat more last year. I'll definitely give you Lillibridge for improvements, but adding Morel and his one homer and a walk total you can count on one hand isn't something to put on your hitting coach resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:14 PM) To this point, his contact rates have improved and his swing has gotten shorter. In otherwords, he is improving, especially over what we saw last year. And I don't care about contact rate if you're taking preventive swings early in the count and hitting 20 hoppers to the second baseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) Morel? Really? He's not that much different than Brian Anderson. Yeah, they'll go on an occasional singles binge. But ultimately they don't contribute much. And Lillibridge, let's judge him in the limited successful ABs he's had and claim him as a win already. If he turns into a starter that can stay close to this production, then yes he is a big time win for Walker, but right now that's up in the air on how well he can sustain Lilli's success. Quentin has been up and down, but mostly down for the past 2+ seasons, I wouldn't really call that a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Rios was good, not great before he got here, and then tried to impliment some ridiculous batting stance. Sure seemed like it went on far too long this year before they tried to get him to make adjustments. I truly didn't think there was a Sox fan left who thought Walker should keep his job, but I guess I'm wrong along with the rest of the "mob mentality". GMAB. You hated Rios when we claimed him. I don't know how many times you have ranted about how bad he sucked, and how we didn't even want him. And now you are going to use him as an indication of how bad Walker is? Laughable. Especially with all of the "lazy" type claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) And I don't care about contact rate if you're taking preventive swings early in the count and hitting 20 hoppers to the second baseman. He's hitting .292 doing that since May 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Making up what the fact this team is enept hitting since June 2006. thanks for finally admitting it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) And Lillibridge, let's judge him in the limited successful ABs he's had and claim him as a win already. If he turns into a starter that can stay close to this production, then yes he is a big time win for Walker, but right now that's up in the air on how well he can sustain Lilli's success. Quentin has been up and down, but mostly down for the past 2+ seasons, I wouldn't really call that a win. Quentins downs have had everything to do with his injuries, not his swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) He's hitting .292 doing that since May 1. Incredibly weak .292, as in little to no XBH and walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Fair enough. Ship him out. I don't discriminate. Gordon Beckham has been below replacement level for a year and a half now. I'm sick of picking on JP. I know he sucks. Now it's Gordon's turn. If by "below replacement level" you mean he provides positive "wins-above-replacement", then yes. 0.8 last year, and 0.8 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) To this point, his contact rates have improved and his swing has gotten shorter. In otherwords, he is improving, especially over what we saw last year. Brent Morel has no offensive tools. That's something you can pinpoint right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:17 PM) Quentins downs have had everything to do with his injuries, not his swing. So that's possibly 1, maybe 2 players that Walker has improved!? Compared to all the talent that has decreased under him I really question why people defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:15 PM) GMAB. You hated Rios when we claimed him. I don't know how many times you have ranted about how bad he sucked, and how we didn't even want him. And now you are going to use him as an indication of how bad Walker is? Laughable. Especially with all of the "lazy" type claims. I hated Rios cause of the ridiculous amount of money as well as the point it seemed KW made a mistake in trying to block the Tigers. I never said I didn't think he could hit at least .270 with 20 homers. Hell, I think it was kalapse who ridiculed me a few years earlier when I said he was one of the best young hitters in baseball (even though he corrected me that he wasn't really that young). During his tenure with the Sox, he's been simply awful about 75% of the time. So yes, he's regressed from how he was in Toronto and looks like someone in desperate need of a hitting coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:19 PM) If by "below replacement level" you mean he provides positive "wins-above-replacement", then yes. 0.8 last year, and 0.8 this year. So now you throw fangraphs at me? lol. Fine, his defense has been alright. Offensively, he's Steve Sax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 04:19 PM) Brent Morel has no offensive tools. That's something you can pinpoint right away. Brent Morel will be a solid offensive contributor for this club for the next half decade +. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) Brent Morel will be a solid offensive contributor for this club for the next half decade +. We're moving in the right field fence so it's 200 feet away? I think he'll be solid, probably below average offensively for 3b but his defense will make him about the epitome of an average player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:22 PM) Brent Morel will be a solid offensive contributor for this club for the next half decade +. What's your definition of solid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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