Greg Hibbard Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) The White Sox basically owned the Central from 2005-2008 (yes, even in 07). The last 2.3 years have been bad, but it seems as though people have pretty short memories. EDIT: 04-08. Roughly 50 games over. Edited June 16, 2011 by Greg Hibbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) The White Sox basically owned the Central from 2005-2008 (yes, even in 07). The last 2.3 years have been bad, but it seems as though people have pretty short memories. EDIT: 04-08. Roughly 50 games over. Almost 2.5 years is short!? Not in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) Here are the facts I'd like to focus on: 1) Interleague is here, and we rake against the NL. Nice, I can't wait to see the Sox blow it in September against the Central. Per the usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) The White Sox basically owned the Central from 2005-2008 (yes, even in 07). The last 2.3 years have been bad, but it seems as though people have pretty short memories. EDIT: 04-08. Roughly 50 games over. No, you fail. What is the record since '06? They obviously dominated in '05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) No, you fail. What is the record since '06? They obviously dominated in '05. '06 - 40-36 '07 - 39-33 '08 - 44-29 '09 - 34-38 '10 - 32-40 '11 - 6-11 195-187 still over .500, despite the last 2+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 let me put a finer point on it: white sox record since '06: 451-430 (.511) white sox record vs central since '06 195-187 (.510) Yes, you're right, I certainly fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:21 PM) let me put a finer point on it: white sox record since '06: 451-430 (.511) white sox record vs central since '06 195-187 (.510) Yes, you're right, I certainly fail. That's a big difference from 50 games over. Considering how bad the Royals, Tigers (sans '06) and Indians (sans '07) have been, eight games over is nothing to get loud about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 My point is that our record vs. the Al Central mirrors exactly our overall record over several years, despite anomalies from year to year. Our '07 team sucked, but raked against the Central. Our '09 team was disproportionately bad against the Central. Typically, smaller sample sizes have larger variances. And so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) That's a big difference from 50 games over. Considering how bad the Royals, Tigers (sans '06) and Indians (sans '07) have been, eight games over is nothing to get loud about. The Tigers are 366-351 since the end of the 2006 World Series that they reached. Considering how "Bad" they've been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 The 07 and 09 tigers won 88 and 86 games, the 08 indians won 81 games not to mention a few twin teams that won 87-94 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) The Tigers are 366-351 since the end of the 2006 World Series that they reached. Considering how "Bad" they've been? So unlike us, they've overachieved to a degree. Still doesn't make them good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'm not tipping my cap at all. I don't think they're better than us. There are times when you catch a team when it is absurdly hot and every break goes their way. You'd think anyone who watched the June 2010 White Sox might know this. Yeah they went like 24-4 or some s***. Guess what? They still didn't make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) Yeah they went like 24-4 or some s***. Guess what? They still didn't make the playoffs. Yes, my point was not about the playoffs. My point was that the 25-5 White Sox won games they should have lost, often with their eyes closed, and could do no wrong, just like the recent 11-2 Twins. It had nothing to do with making the playoffs. Sometimes, when you catch a team at its hottest, it doesn't matter what you do, or whether or not you're more talented, or if you make the right coaching decisions. My point is that we might just be catching them at the wrong time, or at least that might play as much a part of it as this illusion of them "owning us" because of a recent 30-odd game sample size. 30-odd game sample sizes, or even 60-odd game sample sizes, tend to be problematic, in any context, for multiple reasons. Consider, for example, our 49-25 2005-2008 stretch against the Tigers. I'm sure not many here even think about it, but I'm sure a ton of Tigers fans know it by heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The Chicago White Sox: catching the Twins at the wrong time every year since 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) The Chicago White Sox: catching the Twins at the wrong time every year since 2002. From 2003-2008 we had a 55-55 record against the Twins. Considering those 6 Twin teams had an average of 88 wins, I'd say we did fairly well against them. Our worst seasonal record was 9-10 in any of those six years. We certainly caught the Twins just fine in 05 and 08. Many of those Twin teams were more talented than the Sox, this one is certainly not, IMO, which is why I mentioned that they caught us at the right time. Edited June 16, 2011 by Greg Hibbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:51 PM) From 2003-2008 we had a 55-55 record against the Twins. Woooooooo!!!!! We really need that smiley that looks like it's yelling "woooo!" while flailing it's arms and going in a circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) Yes, losing both of these games sucked. Yes, we suck against Minny. Yes, Ozzie sucks as an in-game manager. Here are the facts I'd like to focus on: 1) Interleague is here, and we rake against the NL. 2) We have only 4 games, all at home, against the Twins until August 5th, when the Twins will likely be way out of it and already taking it apart. They are 4-0 against the Sox and 15 under against everyone else. If you think we will go 0-19 against them, you don't watch enough baseball. 3) No team in the AL Central is good enough to win 90, and probably no team is good enough to win even 88. 4) 23 of our next 41 games are at home. If you think this team is buried, save your breath. As infuriating as it will be, they will be in this thing all year, whether you like it or not, just like every other team has been under the Williams era except for 07. That doesn't mean they have what it takes to win this division, or that this division is even worth winning. There will be a race, and the Sox will be a significant factor in it. f*** the Twins. Let's move on. Let's get to .500 then wake me up! Edited June 16, 2011 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I won't have any faith until the friggin do something with Pierre...ANYTHING except play him EVERY goddamn day!!!! Really?!? And please...for the love of christ glue Rios' ass to the bench for about a week straight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) I don't normally condone it, but I think they need to start a brawl with the Twins and kick the ever loving s*** out of them to prove that they are actually superior and stronger. As of right now, it's all a mentality, and that starts with the manager. I'll place $10 on the Twin kicking their asses physically as well. I hate posts like this. Please stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:47 PM) I'll place $10 on the Twin kicking their asses physically as well. I hate posts like this. Please stop. Peavy would get hurt in the fight, but boy, he really put in a heck of an effort and after the game, he said he gave it his best. Meanwhile, Juan went to hit someone with a bat but squared up to bunt instead. Edited June 16, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) Peavy would get hurt in the fight, but boy, he really put in a heck of an effort and after the game, he said he gave it his best. Meanwhile, Juan went to hit someone with a bat but squared up to bunt instead. I'd rely on the pitchers. We know most of the players are not dangerous with a bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Fail Nice try by Greg Hibbard on trying to spin this gutless team's effort vs our main division rival...when you can't even beat these Twins without Morneau and Mauer, you know you are the Twins ass b****es. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Nice, I can't wait to see the Sox blow it in September against the Central. Per the usual. That's the thing. They will stay in it for quite some time. It's what they do, just enough to lose but also just enough that everyone keeps their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 06:47 PM) That's the thing. They will stay in it for quite some time. It's what they do, just enough to lose but also just enough that everyone keeps their jobs. I really don't think that'll happen this year. I think 2nd place = a management overhaul. That's what "all in" meant to me more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 05:48 PM) I really don't think that'll happen this year. I think 2nd place = a management overhaul. That's what "all in" meant to me more than anything else. That's what I took it as, sort of, but I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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