The Ginger Kid Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 what kills me is that the starting pitching is so damn solid. IMO it can compete with anyone. The offensive ineptitude is mind-blowing and staggering. Ozzie is the only manager I've ever heard say something like "shuffling the lineup makes people think you're panicking and losing confidence." I can't think of another manager who wouldn't do everything in their power to spark a lineup. I would agree with Ozzie if this were April or even mid-May, but good lord...he's cutting off his nose to spite his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) greg775 has spoken He'll win a world series before Lebron does as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) Glad you recognize this. This indeed will happen and he'll win more WS the rest of his career than we will in the same span. And he'll have way more playoff appearances. Why? This is Chicago baseball. It was a miracle he and the Sox won the WS, a miracle that I'll take, obviously. Greg = Dan Gilbert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 07:35 PM) what kills me is that the starting pitching is so damn solid. IMO it can compete with anyone. The offensive ineptitude is mind-blowing and staggering. Ozzie is the only manager I've ever heard say something like "shuffling the lineup makes people think you're panicking and losing confidence." I can't think of another manager who wouldn't do everything in their power to spark a lineup. I would agree with Ozzie if this were April or even mid-May, but good lord...he's cutting off his nose to spite his face. Excellent post IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) Greg = Dan Gilbert? I beat you to the reference by 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Where's the petition to immediately replace this boards current consciousness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) Where's the petition to immediately replace this boards current consciousness? In your basement. Go down there and look for it. Don't come back here until you find it. Edited June 17, 2011 by BigSqwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) In your basement. Go down there and look for it. Don't come back here until you find it. I don't have a basement. Oh, snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Honestly, I would like to see Kenny without Ozzie. I don't know what it would take though. They've severely underachieved since the World Series. We've switched over our roster enough times to where it can't be blamed on the roster any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 I'd trade Ozzie to Florida for a new rain tarp... Bossard would be happy.... I'm completely on the Dave Martinez in 2012 bandwagon (though someone else might grab him first) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 KW needs to go before OG (but clean house - okay by me). KW assembled this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 08:49 AM) Just like how if the Sox lose, I hope Pierre goes 0-5, I'm of the opinion that if the Sox aren't going to make the playoffs, I'd rather they win 65 games and get a top 3 pick and get Ozzie out of here. Would you really trust this organization with a top 3 pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 01:31 AM) Would you really trust this organization with a top 3 pick? Cause top 3 picks are guaranteed to be successful? Nearly every year a team screws up a top 3 pick, it's baseball, that's how prospecting works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) And I also gave a reason. You think Chicago baseball has a history of excellence? Ozzie is the guy who brought us a title. Those who think the Sox won in spite of him are nuts. Where did I say chicago has a history of baseball excellence? You didnt give a reason, you gave a s***ty prediction, like you always do. Ozzie didnt bring us the title, he didnt play the games. Hell, even Ozzie himself will tell you that the PLAYERS win the games, not the manager. I never said anything about the players winning in spite of him either. You read way too much into everything and create arguments and conversations out of thin air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 07:54 AM) Where did I say chicago has a history of baseball excellence? You didnt give a reason, you gave a s***ty prediction, like you always do. Ozzie didnt bring us the title, he didnt play the games. Hell, even Ozzie himself will tell you that the PLAYERS win the games, not the manager. I never said anything about the players winning in spite of him either. You read way too much into everything and create arguments and conversations out of thin air. That is the great part of just making stuff up. You are never wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 It's amazing how we looked like a team that would become a dynasty after 2005 and 2006 to a team that looks to quickly become a cellar dweller in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) It's amazing how we looked like a team that would become a dynasty after 2005 and 2006 to a team that looks to quickly become a cellar dweller in the division. And after surviving 2008's near collapse to win the division, it looked like the future might be somewhat promising still, but the collpases only got worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) Honestly, I would like to see Kenny without Ozzie. I don't know what it would take though. They've severely underachieved since the World Series. We've switched over our roster enough times to where it can't be blamed on the roster any longer. I feel this way, but I also wouldn't mind or care if both were sent packing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) It's amazing how we looked like a team that would become a dynasty after 2005 and 2006 to a team that looks to quickly become a cellar dweller in the division. Yes! And this is where 95% of my rage comes from. The opportunity was there to literally take over this city. I don't know what the f*** happened between the all-star break of '06 and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 11:35 AM) I feel this way, but I also wouldn't mind or care if both were sent packing. Well my whole stance is somewhat similar. To me, if the only way to get rid of Oz is by also letting go of Trader Ken, then he'll have to be the sacrificial lamb. Even though I love Kenny, this combo is not working. And you can see Ozzie no longer enjoys the day to day job anymore with the White Sox. You know KW is pissed at us underachieving. I'd like to see the whole staff go minus Don. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) Right, so why even feel the need to pay some lip service to the media. He's here and we all know why. I love Oz, but it's time. I do too, and I agree. Is it just me or does Oz seem totally spent? Like he needs a new start--somewhere else? I will always thank him for 2005 but things since then have just been lame. He seems out of answers, and that's not a good sign. I think we need a reboot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 What are the chances that Ozzie takes parting shots at the Sox when he eventually goes? I'd put it around 80%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) What are the chances that Ozzie takes parting shots at the Sox when he eventually goes? I'd put it around 80%. 100% that someone in the Guillen family does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) What are the chances that Ozzie takes parting shots at the Sox when he eventually goes? I'd put it around 80%. Ozzie won't. He'll say great things about JR and that'll be it... he'll leave it to Oney and Jr to throw that stuff around, and then be hired by another franchise swiftly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 If Florida is still willing to give up something good for Oz, whether it's soon, in a few months, or in the offseason, I hope KW is smart enough to say goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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