BigSqwert Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:28 AM) Hitting coaches have about the same impact as one might expect from all those free-throw shooting coaches Shaq had. Then why do they have a high paying job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:21 AM) I personally think Thomas would be the ideal hitting coach for the White Sox. He was a complete hitter. He knew how to hit for power, hit for average and have patience at the plate. He obviously had a great approach at the plate and seems intelligent enough to pass along his wisdom to other players. On a more personal level, I would love the big man to be back with the Sox full time. I don't think KW's or Ozzie's egos would ever allow that. They've obviously buried the hatchet (mainly KW and Frank). But I don't believe for a second there's not some animosity between the two. KW would never go for Frank of all people coming in here and doing something his guy couldn't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) I don't think KW's or Ozzie's egos would ever allow that. They've obviously buried the hatchet (mainly KW and Frank). But I don't believe for a second there's not some animosity between the two. KW would never go for Frank of all people coming in here and doing something his guy couldn't do. Personally, I don't think Thomas would be a good hitting coach froma technique stand point. If only seen him, Hank aaron and Roberto Clemente use the front foot hitting style where they lifted the rear foot. I'm also not sure he can teach the patience. However, maybe he teach overall philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Historically, Dunn has lit up the Cubs. Maybe a series with them is all he needs to get going. *prays* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 04:37 PM) Personally, I don't think Thomas would be a good hitting coach froma technique stand point. If only seen him, Hank aaron and Roberto Clemente use the front foot hitting style where they lifted the rear foot. I'm also not sure he can teach the patience. However, maybe he teach overall philosophy. He doesn't particularly seem to be a people person either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) Hitting coaches have about the same impact as one might expect from all those free-throw shooting coaches Shaq had. QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) Then why do they have a high paying job? 1.) Great post. I agree. 2.) Because they do apparently do a lot of think tank work, like making tapes available for players, probably listen to them as they discuss hitting. Problem is the players ultimately don't listen to these guys. I would think they are great organizers and listeners thus the healthy contract salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 (edited) Hitting coaches are incredibly important. The subtlest tweak in a hitter's load/swing can be the difference between making line drive contact or popping up. Being a great defensive player and horrible hitter in my high school playing days, I wish I had someone who could notice the subtlest mechanical flaws in my swing. Granted, I was small, so even that may have not helped, but who knows. Hitting is so mechanical that every little bit helps. Having a hitting coach who can painstakingly analyze tape of a player's swing and find the flaw has immense worth. Edited June 20, 2011 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) Hitting coaches are incredibly important. The subtlest tweak in a hitter's load/swing can be the difference between making line drive contact or popping up. Being a great defensive player and horrible hitter in my high school playing days, I wish I had someone who could notice the subtlest mechanical flaws in my swing. Granted, I was small, so even that may have not helped, but who knows. Hitting is so mechanical that every little bit helps. Having a hitting coach who can painstakingly analyze tape of a player's swing and find the flaw has immense worth. Well, from my experience it's not that uncommon or difficult. I had a hitting coach in high school that would film me and have major league comparisons going at the same time to show me slight differences, but then I also had a high school coach that was 25 who could see little things in a batting practice. That's 2 people involved in high school ball that were good hitting coachs, in Michigan of all places, so the coaches are out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maki Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Judging the worth of a hitting coach on a player still in development stages is quite a different animal than that of a MLB hitting coach. Most of the difference definitely has to do with the level of the players and the inability/unwillingness to adjust. Players most likely fall into two camps: 1. Those who willingly and proactively adjust 2. Those who will never do so(or only under extreme duress). Basically I see it as the nature of a pro athlete and their makeup. The "best" hitting instructors probably get most of their success not imparting any of their own views on hitting, but rather in pointing out where a player has strayed from a swing in which he had previous success. By the time you're at the major league level, players have signficantly different swings honed over the years and influenced by many teachers, at the MLB level you're not changing that. So I'd pretty much agree there's not much they're actually controlling other than being able to communicate with the players. Every single major league hitting coach can dissect a swing, as can another 250 waiting in the wings. Much like a manager(in baseball or othwerwise) it comes down to managing people, not the game(task). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Dunn was terrific today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Adam Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Would the Reds take him back if we say pretty please and give them about 5 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Yep, he's on fire. His average is all the way up to .178. And, he only struck out 3 times today. I guess having him play the field more is really making a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 03:50 AM) Yep, he's on fire. His average is all the way up to .178. And, he only struck out 3 times today. I guess having him play the field more is really making a difference. We should just bench him and let fans bat in his place. It'd be a nice promotion, but with our luck, the fans would get injured and sue the team for zillions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:50 PM) Yep, he's on fire. His average is all the way up to .178. And, he only struck out 3 times today. I guess having him play the field more is really making a difference. I thought it was 4 times? Either way, he's hilariously bad right now. I really don't even get mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 03:54 AM) I thought it was 4 times? Either way, he's hilariously bad right now. I really don't even get mad. This is the first season in many many seasons where I don't get mad. We have a horrible baseball team in so many ways. Expect to lose; surprised n happy if/when we win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:54 PM) I thought it was 4 times? Either way, he's hilariously bad right now. I really don't even get mad. No, he struck out 3 times, and then nearly hit a HR in his 4th AB. Edited June 21, 2011 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Not trying to get at a creator of the thread but posting a 7 day split line is absolutely worthless. Dunn is a f***ing joke and still dont see him turning this around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Dunn last 7 games: .158/.304/.368/.672 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 06:57 AM) Dunn last 7 games: .158/.304/.368/.672 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Dunn has been the biggest FA bust of the season to this point. I never saw this coming. So disappointing. Let's pray that this is just one of those years for him and not some inexplicable decline that came out of nowhere during one offseason. Because we are stuck with him for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) wish i could find the dunn all-in commercial. it's pretty terrible. didn't he constantly say last year he didn't want to be a DH, then he takes it back and becomes one and can't adjust to it. Who knows maybe he'll have a monster second half, just don't see it. don't know who i hate watching take AB's more Dunn or Rios. Edited June 21, 2011 by buhbuhburrrrlz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Kenny Williams math lesson: Adam Dunn = 24 man roster for next 3.5 years - ($56,000,000 + 1 first round pick). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:07 AM) Kenny Williams math lesson: Adam Dunn = 24 man roster for next 3.5 years - ($56,000,000 + 1 first round pick). Hey, then it should be a little less than $50,000,000!!! $49+ milllion somehow sounds better, less cataclysmic. http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/tonypau....php?blogid=635 "I've just been trying to almost get out of this stupid funk that I'm in by one swing, swinging as hard as I can," Dunn, who has 65 strikeouts in 156 at-bats in his first tour of the AL (no legit excuse to stink, I say, in this era of constant player movement and interleague play), told MLB.com. "And that's really not me, I don't swing as hard as I can, I never have. I needed to just relax and get back to the basics of seeing it and hitting it." Edited June 21, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy79 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Dunn will cost KW his job... White Sox 2011- "The Lost Season" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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