LittleHurt05 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 10, 2012 -> 02:17 PM) adamjahns Adam Jahns Sami Lepisto is playing tonight for the #Blackhawks. Looks like Brendan Morrison is a scratch. Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiHawks Hammer and Montador went back to chi. Q said hammer went from flu to upper body. "Things changed". Concussion? Dylan Olsen got called up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Red Wings with 19 straight wins at the Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Teams are now simply kicking the s*** out of the Hawks at least frolik and Kane had a good view. Glad to see Morrison is now a healthy scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 2-0 sharks, just keeps getting worse, and they are still 9 days away from a game at the UC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I think it's obvious Toews is still hurt. Not the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 10, 2012 -> 10:04 PM) Teams are now simply kicking the s*** out of the Hawks at least frolik and Kane had a good view. Glad to see Morrison is now a healthy scratch. Yep. At least Mayers keeps a list even if the rest of the team won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 10, 2012 -> 12:50 PM) I wish they would stick with the rivalries. There are plenty of them. Original six. Norris division. Having an entire country watching. Blues don't do that much to excite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Kruger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Some of us should take shots every time Crawford loses his net. Should be a good hospital trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 When is the trade deadline? Hawks need serious help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 11, 2012 -> 01:02 AM) When is the trade deadline? Hawks need serious help. They have got to stand up for each other. You can't let you captain be the teams punching bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2012 -> 09:20 AM) They have got to stand up for each other. You can't let you captain be the teams punching bag They had to put Mayers on the first line to try and stop it. That is not a recipe for success. Kruger looked good on the second line. Stahlberg gets great opportunities but just can not finish. They lack toughness and goaltending. Cory Crawford is a trainwreck at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Glad to see the Hawks D showed up tonight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Never thought Q would be on the hot seat 18 months after the Cup. I don't even know what to say at this point, I will be at the UC next Sunday, hope they figure something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 This blows, but I'm still not panicking yet. I'm going to wait for the end of the trip and then the deadline for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Should the Hawks consider firing Q? This isn’t an opinion as much as it’s a fact: Losing streaks like the one the Chicago Blackhawks are in the midst of get coaches fired. Yes, the unthinkable has crept into the conversation now that the Hawks have lost eight in a row overall and 10 straight on the road while sinking fast in the Western Conference standings. Here’s the reason a coaching change should at least be considered: the Hawks show no signs of coming out of it. This isn’t a knee-jerk reaction to a losing skid. It’s a reaction to big-picture problems brought out to light by the losing streak. Something has to change. At this point, general manager Stan Bowman has two options to salvage the season. Neither involves standing pat, and both are desperate moves. Either Joel Quenneville should be replaced or Bowman has to trade for a new goalie. Let’s be clear, the former Cup-winning coach should not be on the hot seat because his team has lost eight straight games. It’s how they’re losing them. No matter what they think and say, these games aren’t even close. “I feel the pressure of winning a hockey game,” Quenneville said before the latest loss, a 3-0 defeat in Phoenix on Saturday. “We’re in the winning business here. This has gone on too long. You look at the last five games, we could have easily gotten something out of all five. How we’re losing games is tough and it’s why we can visit this if we can turn this around quickly. We all know this will make us a better team long term.” A third-period tie means little if the final margin is two-plus goals as it has been since Game 1 of the trip, a 3-2 overtime loss to Vancouver. When the Hawks have bottomed out these past few years, they bounce back with a gutsy effort or defensive-minded game. Wasn’t the 8-4 embarrassment in Edmonton last weekend the bottom? It looked like it at the time. But that result was followed by a 3-1 loss to Calgary, 5-2 in Denver, 5-3 in San Jose and 3-0 in Phoenix. Seeing a theme here? Despite team meetings and film sessions, extra long practices and defensive instruction, the Hawks can’t play a tight game. Forget about winning a low-scoring game, how about losing one? That’s a team not responding to its coach. “Sometimes it comes down to everyone playing on the same page and playing together,” Duncan Keith said. “And keeping it simple and letting the other teams make the mistakes.” Keith is correct. It is up to the players to play. But after a while the coach has to step in and make it happen. A few consecutive disappointing games are one thing, inching closer to the franchise record of 12 losses in a row is another. If you think this is about personnel, now isn’t the time to argue that point. The team was flying high for a good portion of this year. When the bottom falls out, as it has here midseason, that’s on the coach. In an honest moment, Quenneville even admitted to “letting things slide” on the defensive end as the Hawks were piling up wins via their offense. That was a monumental mistake. Nowhere more than on special teams has the Hawks' coaching staff fallen short. Specifically on their penalty-killing units. For two years, the Hawks have languished at the bottom of the league in that category. Quenneville refuses to change his personnel or his strategy. The Hawks try to take the middle of the ice away in their own zone during penalty kills by pushing point men with the puck to the side and down near the faceoff circles. In doing so, they open up shooting lanes. Star forwards refuse to block shots in fear of being injured, and it’s not a strength of the Hawks’ defense to move men out of the crease. Combine that with average goaltending and Quenneville is allowing opponents to play right into the Hawks' weaknesses. “You look at all good penalty kills it’s tough to get shots through,” Keith said. “They’re always in the shooting lanes, always willing to block shots. I think we could do a better job of that to help our goalies out. That would definitely cut down on some of the scoring chances.” The other option is to find a new goalie. The unknown is better than the known right now. There is little doubt Nikolai Khabibulin is available from Edmonton. Maybe he has one good run left in him at age 39. At this point, the Hawks have nothing to lose and everything to gain. There have been many nights on which that one bad goal, especially if it’s the first one, has potentially changed the whole game in a negative way for the Hawks. It's tough to determine what happens if Ray Emery can stay in his net when Radim Vrbata goes around him to open the scoring on Saturday. The situation has reached the point in the dressing room at which the players are waiting for “something to happen.” More than one has said as much. “Something has to give and it just isn’t,” Jonathan Toews declared after the latest loss. “There doesn’t seem to be anything there these last couple of games.” He was talking as much off the ice as he was on it. The locker room is dead as is the play on the ice. It’s assuredly a shock to anyone following the Hawks that any of this has happened. But it has, and standing pat seems like a silly and blind notion. No one is declaring, definitively, that Quenneville should be replaced, but it has to be considered. He was fired twice before, and winning a Stanley Cup doesn’t mean it can’t happen again. And in this case, it could save the season. The New Jersey Devils famously fired Robbie Ftorek in March of 2000 while the team had the best record in the conference but was slumping. They promoted assistant Larry Robinson and went on to a dramatic Stanley Cup title. Yes, it’s a rare occurrence, but it’s possible. A new voice might make a big difference in the dressing room while immediately fixing Hawks’ penalty killing. And who knows, maybe the goaltending situation gets straightened out. No one can know for sure Quenneville’s part in it all but the fact of the matter is in every stop of his coaching career the Hawks’ coach has had goalie “issues.” Senior adviser Scotty Bowman was on hand for the second leg of the road trip and saw the Hawks’ woes. The question is, what is the greatest hockey coach of our era reporting back to the bosses? At the end of the day, think of it this way, there has to be a number in your mind, in Bowman’s mind, in CEO John McDonough’s mind, that forces their hand. Is it ten games? Is it 12? How many losses and more to the point, how many bad losses would it take? The number is fast approaching. 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EvilJester99 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Honeymoon is over in Hawkville... God forbid they address fixing that awful defense..which in turns exposes the mediocre goal tending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Feb 12, 2012 -> 10:06 PM) Honeymoon is over in Hawkville... God forbid they address fixing that awful defense..which in turns exposes the mediocre goal tending... Repeat of last year nothing really addressed same problems over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hawks a lot of really solid, young talent. Maybe it's time to trade one of our promising young players for some D help. IMO, everyone but Kane and Toews should be discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I think it's time to figure out a Kane for Ryan Miller + a top 4 defenseman trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 08:33 PM) I think it's time to figure out a Kane for Ryan Miller + a top 4 defenseman trade. That would be a helluva shake up. Can't imagine too many fans enjoying Kaner leaving town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 07:33 PM) I think it's time to figure out a Kane for Ryan Miller + a top 4 defenseman trade. Not for this year's version of Ryan Miller, he seems worn down or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 06:30 AM) Not for this year's version of Ryan Miller, he seems worn down or something. Then again Kane isn't exactly tearing up the NHL this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I have never liked Kane I am not sure why I just haven't. The off ice things rub me the wrong way. He is on the first team PP so his points should always be high and he has benefited from Toews. He always seems to be injured as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 06:30 AM) Not for this year's version of Ryan Miller, he seems worn down or something. Yeah, but franchise goaltenders don't grow on trees. Just look at the teams that are winning. This f***ing rotating goaltenders crap is catching up to us. http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4432 Wish we would have let Hammer go instead of Niemi, but I guess hindsight is 20/20 (hell, I was on here hyping up Marty f***ing Turco for Christ's sake. The Hawks need to address the goaltending situation at some point. Oh, and f*** Kaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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