Milkman delivers Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:14 AM) I can't say ever since I didn't watch the first century and a quarter of Major League Baseball, but he's among the worst I've ever seen. The White Sox put on the "we're not managed well" clinic last night, letting the only good player on the other team produce their first three runs, leaving the starting pitcher in too long and making sure he burst into virtual flames and the game was over before removing him, and then letting Juan Pierre make the last out of the game during a mild threat with Brent Lillibridge available on the bench (and yes, I know he was ejected by that point, and no I don't buy he wasn't still calling the shots). Ozzie Guillen's PR manager, Joe Cowley, wrote this article after the game. I hope there is heat on Kenny Williams as well, to be fair. But we can only hope Oz is gone in the very near future: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6074231-417...might-bolt.html EDIT: Sorry Greg, didn't notice you posted the story already. Why WOULDN'T Ozzie do something like that article suggests. He already b****ed and moaned his way into having his option picked up. He's like a little kid that cries to get his way. He's gonna keep doing it because he knows it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 What is Ozzie b****ing about now? He's locked up through next year. He's failed miserably in a division that should've been ours 80% of the time since he's been here. Highest Payroll in team history and we're, what, 5 games below .500 going into July? It's a good thing I don't work for the media. I would so goad him into saying something that would get his ass fired immediately. Our media sucks here. They never ask good questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:56 PM) Thanks. Man, Mariotti has slipped since leaving Chicago. Does he even have a job anymore? He is too busy trying to beat up his girlfriend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 11:47 PM) This story isn't going to play well on soxtalk. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/6074...-just-bolt.html Save your time. Comments coming: -- Fire him now. -- Let the big mouth go. -- How much more can Jerry take from this guy? -- I'm sick of Ozzie and his kids. Florida just take him now!! You can have him!! Key the reaction in three, two, one ... Boom sox fans go get Ozzie. Ah yes, the old Oney source for Cowley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:38 AM) Signing up to coach the Bulls wasn't all that desirable a job for Tom Thibodeau at the time, was it? Um, yes it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) Um, yes it was. Yeah, there's this "Decent young point guard". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 At least Ozzie was entertaining last night during his tantrum over the horrible call on Alexei. His kicking Soto's mask was hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:49 AM) Ah yes, the old Oney source for Cowley. I don't even think that's an Oney source one, that's "trying to take the fact that there's a marlins vacancy and using it to see if you can make Oney or Ozzie go off." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 07:59 AM) I don't even think that's an Oney source one, that's "trying to take the fact that there's a marlins vacancy and using it to see if you can make Oney or Ozzie go off." You don't think this is Ozzie through Oney trying to get a big money extension? It is pretty obvious that is what is going on to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:15 AM) You don't think this is Ozzie through Oney trying to get a big money extension? It is pretty obvious that is what is going on to me. Midseason where the team is under .500 after going "all in behind the manager"? Even Ozzie and Oney aren't that dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:17 AM) Midseason where the team is under .500 after going "all in behind the manager"? Even Ozzie and Oney aren't that dumb. You give them more credit than I do then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:17 AM) Midseason where the team is under .500 after going "all in behind the manager"? Even Ozzie and Oney aren't that dumb. He got his option picked up after yet another disappointing season in the offseason. It seems worth a shot to me. And no, I wouldn't put it past him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:44 AM) He got his option picked up after yet another disappointing season in the offseason. It seems worth a shot to me. And no, I wouldn't put it past him. Think of it this way. You know your job is potentially in danger, and the general manager keeps setting you up for the fall. The one ally you have on the team is Jerry, and now you have a team that might be interested in you. I totally think think this leakk was Oney based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 10:00 AM) Think of it this way. You know your job is potentially in danger, and the general manager keeps setting you up for the fall. The one ally you have on the team is Jerry, and now you have a team that might be interested in you. I totally think think this link was Oney based. How on Earth is KW setting Ozzie up to take a fall? By giving Ozzie the exact players he asks for and then having the org mouthpieces defend them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:00 AM) How on Earth is KW setting Ozzie up to take a fall? By giving Ozzie the exact players he asks for and then having the org mouthpieces defend them? Every time the roster comes up, especially when Viciedo and Pierre come up, Kenny mentions that Dayan isn't here because he doesn't have anywhere to play, because he believes in the roster he has. You don't see the 1+1 there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:00 AM) Think of it this way. You know your job is potentially in danger, and the general manager keeps setting you up for the fall. The one ally you have on the team is Jerry, and now you have a team that might be interested in you. I totally think think this leakk was Oney based. I agree with you. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:00 AM) How on Earth is KW setting Ozzie up to take a fall? By giving Ozzie the exact players he asks for and then having the org mouthpieces defend them? You can see that Williams is setting up Ozzie just as well as anyone (justifiably, IMO). He toes the company line at times, but he also heavily insinuates repeatedly that Pierre is only here because of Ozzie and that he can't promote Viciedo because Ozzie wouldn't play him. He's speaking out of both sides of his mouth, really. I personally favor KW more, but both should probably go. The worst scenario would be to keep Ozzie and fire KW. Edited June 21, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 10:03 AM) Every time the roster comes up, especially when Viciedo and Pierre come up, Kenny mentions that Dayan isn't here because he doesn't have anywhere to play, because he believes in the roster he has. You don't see the 1+1 there? But that's because Ozzie Guillen is making the decision himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) But that's because Ozzie Guillen is making the decision himself! All of the while his boss keeps publicly stating that this isn't his call, so when/if it fails the whole world knows whose fault it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 10:13 AM) All of the while his boss keeps publicly stating that this isn't his call, so when/if it fails the whole world knows whose fault it is. If Ozzie thinks this is a potential issue...then he should stop playing Juan Pierre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) I personally favor KW more, but both should probably go. The worst scenario would be to keep Ozzie and fire KW. Agreed with this entire statement. Ideally if we miss the playoffs both should be gone, but retaining Ozzie and firing Kenny would be absoutely atrocious. Think how many Juan Pierre's and Mark Kotsay's we'd have running around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Ozzie KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 10:14 AM) Agreed with this entire statement. Ideally if we miss the playoffs both should be gone, but retaining Ozzie and firing Kenny would be absoutely atrocious. Think how many Juan Pierre's and Mark Kotsay's we'd have running around. But think of the top 5 draft picks we could get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:14 AM) If Ozzie thinks this is a potential issue...then he should stop playing Juan Pierre! Why would he care if he thinks he can get a contract extension out of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:14 AM) If Ozzie thinks this is a potential issue...then he should stop playing Juan Pierre! I think Ozzie truly believes that Pierre (or anyone in that mold) is vital. It's sad. QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:14 AM) Agreed with this entire statement. Ideally if we miss the playoffs both should be gone, but retaining Ozzie and firing Kenny would be absoutely atrocious. Think how many Juan Pierre's and Mark Kotsay's we'd have running around. If you think Ozzie's ego is bad now, I can't imagine how much worse it'd be in that scenario. He'd run this organization from top to bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) Why would he care if he thinks he can get a contract extension out of it? He can also get a contract extension out of winning the AL Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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