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QUOTE (skidoochic @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 10:22 PM)
I'm with you ROC. I mean to me it looks like Peavy couldn't pitch and he was blaming his ineffectiveness on A.J. Not cool. Besides, who didn't want Peavy pulled when A.J. was motioning for it????

 

Perhaps this wouldn't be an issue if AJ had confidence that his manager would pull Peavy at the correct time and he didn't have to inform the manager of it?

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:36 AM)
Perhaps this wouldn't be an issue if AJ had confidence that his manager would pull Peavy at the correct time and he didn't have to inform the manager of it?

I think that this is just how AJ would react no matter what.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 02:27 AM)
This is clearly going to be an issue tomorrow, Aj and peavy having words as peavy is pulled, then more in the dugout.

 

What'd you see?

 

 

The issue was in the paper and I expect that is all that it will be. Maybe it will help motivate folks on our side though. Jake and AJ are pros and I see this as just an in-house family type spat.

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QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 10:50 PM)
It's amazing how many people are using their hate of Peavy/contract to defend AJ's actions.

 

It doesn't matter who the pitcher or catcher was in the situation. It's irrelevant.

 

I'll readily admit that I don't care that he showed him up. Yes, it's unfair. But hey, that may have been necessary. Ozzie honestly may not have done anything and let Peavy attempt to pitch out of it. Leaving a pitcher in way too long is something he's done before.

 

We're in too big of a hole to take any chances at this point. At least AJ seems to understand that, although he went about it in his usual classless way.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:47 AM)
We're in too big of a hole to take any chances at this point. At least AJ seems to understand that, although he went about it in his usual classless way.

Should a catcher and a manager have a signal worked out between them for "Come and take this pitcher out" that no one else, even the pitcher, recognizes?

 

That's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:48 AM)
Should a catcher and a manager have a signal worked out between them for "Come and take this pitcher out" that no one else, even the pitcher, recognizes?

 

That's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

 

Absolutely not the worst idea. It'd come in handy.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:48 AM)
Should a catcher and a manager have a signal worked out between them for "Come and take this pitcher out" that no one else, even the pitcher, recognizes?

 

That's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

I thought of that, too. It may exist and be subtle eye contact things.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:48 AM)
Should a catcher and a manager have a signal worked out between them for "Come and take this pitcher out" that no one else, even the pitcher, recognizes?

 

That's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

 

Knowing AJ it would be something like throat-slash or noose hanging gesture.

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QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 11:13 PM)
What does winning a world series 6 years ago have to do with AJ showing up one of our pitchers?

 

We don't win the World Series without Crede, Cliff Politte or Neal Cotts. Do you want them on the team too?

 

Also, AJ doesn't need to show the guy up to get him out of the game. It was obvious to everyone that he ran out of steam. He was coming out regardless.

 

Again, it's ridiculous of anyone to state this as fact. Both of these sentences are flawed. There have been plenty of times where "everyone" knew that a pitcher ran out of gas, but he was left in by the manager. There have been plenty of times where people were sure that a pitcher had to be coming out of the game, but he did not.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 05:34 AM)
Let me spin this around another way for people who are using this as a bash Peavy thing. How about the next time AJ misses throwing out a runner by 10 feet if Jake points into the dugout? Or the next time a pitcher walks the bases loaded in front of AJ with no one out, and AJ swings at the first pitch and pops out weekly to second, is it then OK for the runner on third to point into the dugout for a guy who can hit?

There's the post of the thread.

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QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 11:44 PM)
It took off because people here will do anything to savage Peavy and the organization at any turn.

 

Just look at the posts in the gamethread.

 

Haha, savage. Man, the hyperbole is out in force today.

 

If anyone cares to look back, there are only like 2 or 3 people in this entire thread making this an issue and it's not the usual crew. The vast majority seems to be fine with everything.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:01 AM)
Again, it's ridiculous of anyone to state this as fact. Both of these sentences are flawed. There have been plenty of times where "everyone" knew that a pitcher ran out of gas, but he was left in by the manager. There have been plenty of times where people were sure that a pitcher had to be coming out of the game, but he did not.

 

Not ridiculous at all. I was there. As soon as that last hit occurred, Ozzie and Coop were moving in the dugout and were obviously going to take him out (in fact you could tell they were getting antsy before then). We all looked down there because we had wanted him out a batter earlier, and wanted to see if they were moving. They were.

 

AJ acted like an ass here, he did something you just don't do. How anyone could defend AJ in this is beyond me, and I'm a pretty big AJ fan.

 

That all said, its not a huge deal. AJ acted like a child, Peavy let him know about it, they argued it out, they moved on.

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:20 AM)
Not ridiculous at all. I was there. As soon as that last hit occurred, Ozzie and Coop were moving in the dugout and were obviously going to take him out (in fact you could tell they were getting antsy before then). We all looked down there because we had wanted him out a batter earlier, and wanted to see if they were moving. They were.

 

AJ acted like an ass here, he did something you just don't do. How anyone could defend AJ in this is beyond me, and I'm a pretty big AJ fan.

 

That all said, its not a huge deal. AJ acted like a child, Peavy let him know about it, they argued it out, they moved on.

 

So because they were antsy (and had already left Peavy in one batter too long in your own opinion), they were definitely going to pull him at that very moment and it's ridiculous to not be 100% sure about that?

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 10:28 PM)
Yeah, everyone hates AJ. This is going to linger. Oh wait

 

Like I said, boys will be boys," Peavy said. "We are going to say stuff to each other at times that may not sit well with the other. Talk through it and get it straight. Like I said, I love A.J. Pierzynski to death. He competes his rear end off and has for many years. He won a World Series here. I would like to do that again with him."

 

Do the people thinking this is a huge deal ever have arguments with their wife or girlfriend or co-workers? Is any argument always the end of the relationship?

 

If the team was in 1st place by 10 games it wouldn't exist.

 

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:23 AM)
So because they were antsy (and had already left Peavy in one batter too long in your own opinion), they were definitely going to pull him at that very moment and it's ridiculous to not be 100% sure about that?

It was obvious they were going to get him. Not sure what else to tell you. I mean, maybe instead he was planning on going out to talk to the third base coach just for giggles, but he was immediately up and going to the stairs.

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:53 AM)
It was obvious they were going to get him. Not sure what else to tell you. I mean, maybe instead he was planning on going out to talk to the third base coach just for giggles, but he was immediately up and going to the stairs.

 

Who's to say that they wouldn't have given him "just one more" batter or that he'd only send Cooper out there to talk to Peavy?

 

I think my notion that it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Ozzie would leave him in too long is truer than you saying that he was going to take him out right then and there's no chance that he wouldn't.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:56 AM)
Who's to say that they wouldn't have given him "just one more" batter or that he'd only send Cooper out there to talk to Peavy?

 

I think my notion that it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Ozzie would leave him in too long is truer than you saying that he was going to take him out right then and there's no chance that he wouldn't.

 

If it was the case that Cooper was just going out to talk to him it would have given AJ a chance to let Cooper know he felt Peavy was done without causing a problem.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:56 AM)
Who's to say that they wouldn't have given him "just one more" batter or that he'd only send Cooper out there to talk to Peavy?

 

I think my notion that it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Ozzie would leave him in too long is truer than you saying that he was going to take him out right then and there's no chance that he wouldn't.

 

Hadn't Cooper already been out to the mound that inning? I'm fuzzy on that though.

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QUOTE (supernuke @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 11:01 AM)
If it was the case that Cooper was just going out to talk to him it would have given AJ a chance to let Cooper know he felt Peavy was done without causing a problem.

 

Again, they might have just gotten antsy and nobody left the dugout.

 

The fact of the matter is that AJ showed his desire to have Peavy removed and, whether or not it was due in part to AJ's actions, Peavy was removed and things went smoothly due to the removal. They talked it out and neither had anything negative to say to the media.

 

At worst, AJ's actions caused no harm. At best, they won us the game.

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