Some truth to unpatriotic liberals?

[Jenksismyhero]

bulls***. There have been a number of conservative posters who have left on their own because they didn't like having to argue their points to liberals on the board don't like being in circle jerk cross-fire. There is probably an equal split of liberal to conservative posters that actively participate in this forum. Both sides go at it about the same. ANd the conservatives whine just as much if not more.

 

Fixed that for ya. At some point it's not worth the effort of contributing because you know that you'll instantly be called a racist homophob that hates poor people and ignores simple science.

 

Also, I love that this new guy is just crushed for pages and pages because he stereotypes liberals as being anti-patriotic, but you guys spewed (and continue to spew) how much bulls*** about members of the Tea Party? (as one example)

[BigSqwert]

Also, I love that this new guy is just crushed for pages and pages because he stereotypes liberals as being anti-patriotic

So you agree that he's baiting/trolling.

 

 

but you guys spewed (and continue to spew) how much bulls*** about members of the Tea Party? (as one example)

Yeah. Those topics are never discussed/debated back and forth. Everyone is asked to remain silent whenever a blanket statement is thrown in here. We need to also be silent to this new guy's biases.

[bmags]

Fixed that for ya. At some point it's not worth the effort of contributing because you know that you'll instantly be called a racist homophob that hates poor people and ignores simple science.

 

Also, I love that this new guy is just crushed for pages and pages because he stereotypes liberals as being anti-patriotic, but you guys spewed (and continue to spew) how much bulls*** about members of the Tea Party? (as one example)

 

Again, I've been here a long time, the same s*** has been thrown from the other side just as hard, just as often. But frankly, a post like this whose sole purpose it is to delegitimize a wide swath of people has typically been called out by the mods. But the side that cries martrydom and takes their ball and goes home is pretty skewed right. You guys are victims of a left wing oppression, we get it.

[Y2HH]

LOL, yeah, me and BS, Democrat Party shills! It wasn't like we spent pages arguing with Balta on why we won't be voting for Obama or anything.

 

But you will. And if, come election time, you don't...please accept my pre-apology.

 

That said, I don't believe you won't vote for him again, only you will justify going back on your word to not vote for him with something like, "Well...if didn't run against him, I wouldn't have voted for him", or "He was the lesser of two evils and I'd rather the lesser one win".

 

Just my opinion...but I'd venture to guess that *most* people on this board have a history of voting along party lines, and rarely -- if ever -- having crossed over.

Edited July 11, 2011 by Y2HH

[BigSqwert]

But you will.

Ok. You're the only person in the country with a mind of their own who can vote whichever party tickles your fancy at any given election. If we only had your strong will.

[southsider2k5]

Ok. You're the only person in the country with a mind of their own who can vote whichever party tickles your fancy at any given election. If we only had your strong will.

 

BTW, this is exactly what Gage was saying people should be suspended for. But I am sure it is because I agree with you that you haven't been suspended.

[Y2HH]

Ok. You're the only person in the country with a mind of their own who can vote whichever party tickles your fancy at any given election. If we only had your strong will.

 

No, I don't believe that at all...people absolutely have minds of their own, they just don't' use them.

 

But I do believe if we were able to examine your voting record, it would read as pure party line votes.

 

IE, you've never crossed the line and voted for a single republican candidate, and you never will. That goes for 99.9% of the people I know that vote, and 99% of the people on this board.

[BigSqwert]

No, I don't believe that at all...people absolutely have minds of their own, they just don't' use them.

 

But I do believe if we were able to examine your voting record, it would read as pure party line votes.

 

IE, you've never crossed the line and voted for a single republican candidate, and you never will. That goes for 99.9% of the people I know that vote, and 99% of the people on this board.

George H.Bush

Perot

George W Bush

John Kerry

Barack Obama

 

EDIT: In your face!

Edited July 11, 2011 by BigSqwert

[Y2HH]

George H.Bush

Perot

George W Bush

John Kerry

Barack Obama

 

EDIT: In your face!

 

I'm sorry, but knowing how Liberal you are -- I just can't buy that...however, anythings possible...so I'll take your word for it.

 

That said, back when you voted for the republicans -- you were what, 18 and knew next to nothing?

 

Now that your ideology is set in, I'd love to see you cross over...which won't happen again.

Edited July 11, 2011 by Y2HH

[BigSqwert]

I'm sorry, but knowing how Liberal you are -- I just can't buy that...however, anythings possible...so I'll take your word for it.

 

That said, back when you voted for the republicans -- you were what, 18 and knew next to nothing?

Now that your ideology is set in, I'd love to see you cross over...which won't happen again.

Exactly. Just shows you that liberals are smarter.

[Y2HH]

Exactly. Just shows you that liberals are smarter.

 

Touche.

 

I will chop block tackle you below the knees next time we meet, Sasquatch.

[Jenksismyhero]

So you agree that he's baiting/trolling.

 

 

 

Yeah. Those topics are never discussed/debated back and forth. Everyone is asked to remain silent whenever a blanket statement is thrown in here. We need to also be silent to this new guy's biases.

 

Unless he's some old poster that's come back under a new name, I dunno how he can be trolling/baiting. He sounds like that's his honest opinion. You guys didn't debate or argue with him, you just attacked him for thinking that way.

 

 

[bmags]

Unless he's some old poster that's come back under a new name, I dunno how he can be trolling/baiting. He sounds like that's his honest opinion. You guys didn't debate or argue with him, you just attacked him for thinking that way.

 

how does one argue that they ARE patriotic if the definition they are classifying for being patriotic are mostly just things that are identified with being republican?

[bigruss]

Ah, should have expected the typical "military hate" card sooner or later. And you wonder why I suspect you of being unpatriotic. It's a real shame that we are sworn to protect people of your caliber who don't realize the immense good created by the military. You're pathetic.

 

To the admins, I'm not going to tolerate people insulting the military. Several friends of mine have died in the services, and to hear someone call their deaths part of "necessary evil" infuriates me beyond belief. If thinking someone who says that is the scum of the earth is not allowed here, then so be it.

I don't hate people in the military, I was even vice president of our high school's Support Our Troops Club. In fact, I respect the s*** out of people who have served and served well. I just don't like the fact that we actually need a military, to me it's sad that we as humans decide so easily to kill other humans.

 

And yes, I have had family serve in the military, friends also and know people who will be serving shortly after their college career is over. I have nothing but respect for those in the military who go about their business in the right way.

 

Oh, and I don't like the personal insult.

 

That was not an insult, you're looking way too into this. The military, any military, is in fact a necessary evil. I'm one of the more conservative posters here (i've just stayed away from this forum for the most part the past few months), but i understand what he's trying to say. He's not saying that the military is evil, he's more saying how unfortunate it is that it is necessary. Wouldn't you rather live in a world where it wasn't needed (aka necessary)?

 

Unfortunately, it is needed, badly, and I don't believe at all in defense spending cuts or anything like that. I even work for a company that provides connectors to most of the main military contractors. If you were ever in an MRAP, Abrams or JLTV or an F-35 or RAPTOR, etc you probably rode in something that contained pieces that came out from the facility I work at. I have the utmost respect for anyone in the military, past or present, but making that statement is not a knock on them at all.

 

Don't look for fights, they'll come up on their own enough in this section as is.

Thank you, exactly what I meant.

[Y2HH]

how does one argue that they ARE patriotic if the definition they are classifying for being patriotic are mostly just things that are identified with being republican?

 

I think this it the problem with any/all "I'm a patriot" arguments...it all depends on how it's defined.

 

IMO, patriotism is anyone that loves the country they live in/are a citizen of, and wish for an even better future, etc, even if they see said future in a different way than I do.

 

That's the open minded side of me talking.

 

Now, the devils advocate side would probably say something more along the lines of, one argues they are a patriot because you are a socialist that wishes for more handouts.

[bigruss]

Unless he's some old poster that's come back under a new name, I dunno how he can be trolling/baiting. He sounds like that's his honest opinion. You guys didn't debate or argue with him, you just attacked him for thinking that way.

It may have seemed like I was attacking him, but in reality I was questioning his statements of opinion that he stated as fact.

[bmags]

I think this it the problem with any/all "I'm a patriot" arguments...it all depends on how it's defined.

 

IMO, patriotism is anyone that loves the country they live in/are a citizen of, and wish for an even better future, etc, even if they see said future in a different way than I do.

 

That's the open minded side of me talking.

 

Now, the devils advocate side would probably say something more along the lines of, one argues they are a patriot because you are a socialist that wishes for more handouts.

 

but that's precisely the point. This topic is at it's base just made for incitement. You wanna talk about healthcare, foreign policy, etc there is a whole crap load of room for legitimate discussion. I don't think questioning the patriotism of those who might want to reduce the budget of the military to be fostering an atmosphere where any honest discussion can happen.

[Jenksismyhero]

how does one argue that they ARE patriotic if the definition they are classifying for being patriotic are mostly just things that are identified with being republican?

 

How does one classify themselves as a tea party member who's not racist when people just classify all tea party members as racist? I get your point, but you guys do the same s*** and act like it's different because what, your opinion is more valid?

[GoSox05]

I don't like when the military is above criticism. They do plenty of things wrong and when they do, you should be able to criticize them without being called "unpatriotic".

 

 

[bigruss]

I don't like when the military is above criticism. They do plenty of things wrong and when they do, you should be able to criticize them without being called "unpatriotic".

Or pathetic.

[bmags]

How does one classify themselves as a tea party member who's not racist when people just classify all tea party members as racist? I get your point, but you guys do the same s*** and act like it's different because what, your opinion is more valid?

 

Frankly when the tea party thread started with a bunch of blanket statements you had a bunch of the admins in here and other posters saying "you can't make blanket statements" etc. The difference is now there are admins endorsing this activity, which I would argue is bad for the forum.

 

The tea party racist things was bad, and it was addressed early on and i think the point was driven home and people have TRIED to stop. The suicide in kentucky where the person tried to play it off as a murder because he was a census worker was a thread where I was completely wrong. It's not like we are going to reduce the amount of blanket statements or heated arguments in here to zero in here, it would probably get pretty boring anyway. And the regulars here usually realize on their own when they step over the line and just leave to cool off. But I do think people try to have honest conversation and when pure incitement happens it should get the ridicule it deserves.

 

I'm not sure if you remember, but athomeboy was as democrat as democrat could be during the 08 election and his constant stupid posts about the menial day to day in washington that was pro obama pretty much annoyed everyone. It wasn't at all helpful to discussion.

 

So I find this pretty ridiculous that he's given so much leeway for personal attacks and blanket statements out of some sort of revenge.

[StrangeSox]

But you will. And if, come election time, you don't...please accept my pre-apology.

 

That said, I don't believe you won't vote for him again, only you will justify going back on your word to not vote for him with something like, "Well...if didn't run against him, I wouldn't have voted for him", or "He was the lesser of two evils and I'd rather the lesser one win".

 

Just my opinion...but I'd venture to guess that *most* people on this board have a history of voting along party lines, and rarely -- if ever -- having crossed over.

 

check your premises!

[StrangeSox]

how does one argue that they ARE patriotic if the definition they are classifying for being patriotic are mostly just things that are identified with being republican?

 

Yeah, if your definition of "patriotism" is jingoistic nationalism with a good helping of militarism, call me unpatriotic.

[StrangeSox]

btw I don't recall anyone openly calling for other posters to get banned here, not sure where that complaint is coming from?

[BigSqwert]

Yeah, if your definition of "patriotism" is jingoistic nationalism with a good helping of militarism, call me unpatriotic.

QFT