caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 http://www.freep.com/article/20110704/COL0...dyssey=nav|head Look at what Knapp has done. Their bullpen's an absolute mess, but you have to blame Dombrowski more. Verlander's become the best pitcher in the AL (which he credits largely to Knapp), they're getting tons of mileage out of Brad Penny and nobody projected Phil Coke to be a starter, let alone pitch that well as a starter. Scherzer and Porcello were never going to be without their growing pains. This is like the White Sox firing Cooper because of Edwin Jackson's disappointing results in 2011. It all goes back to the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Firing Greg Walker would not be the sign of a panicked team. It would be a sign of a team that is tired of whatever institutional group-think that goes on to have our guys always watching first pitch fastball right down the middle for strike one, then swing and some out-of-the-zone garbage pitch for strike two. The same sort of thinking that seems to have our hitters rarely blasting on that 'cookie' that all pitchers throw once in a while. So tired of hearing 'Dang gummit, he got a cookie and just got under it'. I don't know that Greg has done ANYTHING good, but there sure are a lot of bad things going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) Firing Greg Walker would not be the sign of a panicked team. It would be a sign of a team that is tired of whatever institutional group-think that goes on to have our guys always watching first pitch fastball right down the middle for strike one, then swing and some out-of-the-zone garbage pitch for strike two. The same sort of thinking that seems to have our hitters rarely blasting on that 'cookie' that all pitchers throw once in a while. So tired of hearing 'Dang gummit, he got a cookie and just got under it'. I don't know that Greg has done ANYTHING good, but there sure are a lot of bad things going on. So you are saying they don't swing at first pitch fastballs so that's a problem, but can't handle cookies? LMAO. Most of the time when a pitching or hitting coach get replaced, the results remain the same at least as long as the players remain the same. One exception was Cleveland when they fired Eddie Murray, but Tribe players hated him. Another would be when the Sox fired Gary Ward, another players hated. The results improves almost immediately when Greg Walker took his place. Blaming a hitting coach because a major leaguer doesn't blast a hanger is laughable, especially if you also blame him for players taking pitches. BTW, Alex Rios isn't letting many first pitches go lately. Edited July 5, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 05:26 PM) So you are saying they don't swing at first pitch fastballs so that's a problem, but can't handle cookies? LMAO. Most of the time when a pitching or hitting coach get replaced, the results remain the same at least as long as the players remain the same. One exception was Cleveland when they fired Eddie Murray, but Tribe players hated him. Another would be when the Sox fired Gary Ward, another players hated. The results improves almost immediately when Greg Walker took his place. Blaming a hitting coach because a major leaguer doesn't blast a hanger is laughable, especially if you also blame him for players taking pitches. BTW, Alex Rios isn't letting many first pitches go lately. Then what good is he? Sox batters as a group suck, take too many pitches down the middle and swing at crap. Give them a pitcher they never seen and they are as unprepared as my son seems to be for calculus tests. There seems to be some kind of group-think here that just stinks. If you can't blame him for the bad, then he should get no credit for the good and should just be let go since there is no reason for him to even be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 09:25 AM) bump Really, out of all the fire walker threads, you bump a 4 post one from earlier this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 06:07 PM) Then what good is he? Sox batters as a group suck, take too many pitches down the middle and swing at crap. Give them a pitcher they never seen and they are as unprepared as my son seems to be for calculus tests. There seems to be some kind of group-think here that just stinks. If you can't blame him for the bad, then he should get no credit for the good and should just be let go since there is no reason for him to even be here. Lol at the son comment. At the same time, I agree with everything you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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