LVSoxFan Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I remember prior to the balk A.J. messing with this guy while at second base, making like he was going to steal. But this I did not see this on TV from the angle being televised. Watch A.J. on third base as this happens. Would it have been called without him? Maybe. But this guy has a real knack for always being in the middle of controversial plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 The lone comment is ridiculous. If it looks a dog and smells like a dog... The ump knew just as well as the players did when he saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 I just thought it was an interesting angle. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:08 AM) I just thought it was an interesting angle. Oh well. I meant the comment on the youtube video was ridiculous. Definitely good to see the on-field video. In the pitch before the balk, you could see on the TV broadcast AJ booking it like he was going to steal home; possibly had an effect mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 That is an easy balk call. It gets called pretty much every time that it happens. If AJ had something to do with causing it, good for him, and thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Oh, phew. I thought you meant me. But the whole sequence had AJ written all over it. AJ singles. AJ gets bunted to second and starts messing with the pitcher. AJ was obviously playing heads-up when he took third on the wild pitch. And then (from WhiteSox.com): It was Pierzynski who immediately brought attention to Crow, with vocal assistance from Dunn, after the reliever started out of the stretch, stopped and then tried to hide the miscue by stepping off the mound. Home-plate umpire Ed Rapuano made the official call, starting the White Sox postgame fireworks. Point being: when something wild goes down, AJ always seems to be in the middle of it. Edited July 5, 2011 by LVSoxFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Does Crow make a motion to home plate and than steps off? Is that why it was called? I'm not really up to date on balk calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:20 AM) Does Crow make a motion to home plate and than steps off? Is that why it was called? I'm not really up to date on balk calls. If you make a motion towards home plate, you have to throw the ball to home. Period. If you start towards some and don't throw, it is a balk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 For me, unless a pitcher stops half-way through his motion, there's almost no such thing as an "easy" balk call. I have to be honest, I've watched baseball for a long, long time, and I almost never pick it up on my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) OK let me amend this watching it again, Dunn was making noise about it too. Love that angle though. Edited July 5, 2011 by LVSoxFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) For me, unless a pitcher stops half-way through his motion, there's almost no such thing as an "easy" balk call. I have to be honest, I've watched baseball for a long, long time, and I almost never pick it up on my own. Its easy in the sense that if you make a motion towards home, either you throw home or you balk. It isn't like a move to first base where every ump has a little different subjectivity to what the line is exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) OK let me amend this watching it again, Dunn was making noise about it too. Love that angle though. It is a great angle. That little lean forward is what does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:25 AM) Its easy in the sense that if you make a motion towards home, either you throw home or you balk. It isn't like a move to first base where every ump has a little different subjectivity to what the line is exactly. Watching it again, last night wasn't "motion," (as in windup or stretch) so much as subtle movement of his shoulder, more like a slight lean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) It is a great angle. That little lean forward is what does it. Yup. I finally see it now. Because honestly even with the replays on TV I was like WTF? I don't see anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 If you watch the whole play Ed Rapuono looks more excited about the play than the White Sox. The guy goes nuts making the call and demanding AJ come home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) AJP tried to force a balk with Teahen up, as he started sprinting down the line on the pitch. Carlos Lee would have gotten picked off. Edited July 5, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthshiner Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 AJ and Dunn react at the exact same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 that's cool, thanks for sharing. AJ, Adam and Rapuano seemed to all see it at the same time or within a second of each other. So Ned Yost needs to pull his head out of his ass (you too, Francouer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I've watched this video approx 10 times and don't see much movement towards the plate. I've seen guys with windups that clearly motion towards home (bend over half-way moving their torso in a bit of a circle). That's just part of their getting set up to throw and it's never called. Balks have always been a mystery to me (except for the obvious ones). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Oh I agree with you. It's so subtle that you have to ask: really? The only time I ever really pay attention to balks is when that one jag-bag umpire always calls Buehrle for them when he attempts a pickoff at 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I was off the couch clapping before the balk was officially called. Was a very very obvious balk. GO SOX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 It might have been slight to us, but Ed Rapuano jumped up and called it without hesitation, so I will take his word on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:27 AM) Watching it again, last night wasn't "motion," (as in windup or stretch) so much as subtle movement of his shoulder, more like a slight lean. And if that movement is forward, it is a balk. For whatever reason, umpires call that one to the letter of the book, as opposed to something like a lefties move to 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:58 AM) that's cool, thanks for sharing. AJ, Adam and Rapuano seemed to all see it at the same time or within a second of each other. So Ned Yost needs to pull his head out of his ass (you too, Francouer) Yost is just defending his pitcher. Honestly I doubt he really believes it wasn't a balk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) I've watched this video approx 10 times and don't see much movement towards the plate. I've seen guys with windups that clearly motion towards home (bend over half-way moving their torso in a bit of a circle). That's just part of their getting set up to throw and it's never called. Balks have always been a mystery to me (except for the obvious ones). He screwed up by stepping off of the mound. That made it much more exaggerated because it looked like he was trying to get away with it. If he comes to the set position after that, he might not get called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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