Casey Anthony Verdict

[southsider2k5]

Being the holdout who causes a hung jury though isn't illegal...if he genuinely believed that the person was guilty and would not vote to acquit, then that's not illegal.

 

That is also not what he said originally.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Being the holdout who causes a hung jury though isn't illegal...if he genuinely believed that the person was guilty and would not vote to acquit, then that's not illegal.

 

Unless I missed something, other than 70% of the country believing Anthony is guilty, what is greg basing his belief on? I guess I could directly ask greg this. But this is my question for everyone. Remember, beyond a reasonable doubt. It doesn't have to be a slam dunk.

Edited July 15, 2011 by Jordan4life

[Steve9347]

Look, this was a case of a defenseless/innocent white child, yes, I said white because I don't believe the outrage would be the same if the girl had been black or mexican

Well yeah, we'd have never heard of this case if it didn't involve a hot white chick. No doubt there.

[Steve9347]

Unless I missed something, other than 70% of the country believing Anthony is guilty, what is greg basing his belief on? I guess I could directly ask greg this. But this is my question for everyone. Remember, beyond a reasonable doubt. It doesn't have to be a slam dunk.

Beyond a reasonable doubt actually does mean it has to be a slam dunk. We also have seen/heard more than the jury because our judicial system is silly.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Well yeah, we'd have never heard of this case if it didn't involve a hot white chick. No doubt there.

 

There you go again. I didn't say that. It's just my interpretation that the masses wouldn't be as outraged. I'm not the only one that believes this. I just say it. And I'd say it if a member of the media stuck a microphone in my face.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Beyond a reasonable doubt actually does mean it has to be a slam dunk. We also have seen/heard more than the jury because our judicial system is silly.

 

Um, no. It really doesn't have to be a slam dunk. I don't know where you get this from.

[Steve9347]

There you go again. I didn't say that. It's just my interpretation that the masses wouldn't be as outraged. I'm not the only one that believes this. I just say it. And I'd say it if a member of the media stuck a microphone in my face.

I was agreeing with you, dude. Seriously, the entire world would not have cared if Casey Anthony weren't a hot white chick.

[BigSqwert]

I was agreeing with you, dude. Seriously, the entire world would not have cared if Casey Anthony weren't a hot white chick.

No doubt.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I was agreeing with you, dude. Seriously, the entire world would not have cared if Casey Anthony weren't a hot white chick.

 

lol. My fault. I thought you were being sarcastic.

[Steve9347]

Um, no. It really doesn't have to be a slam dunk. I don't know where you get this from.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard of evidence required to validate a criminal conviction in most adversarial legal systems (such as the United Kingdom and the United States). Generally the prosecution bears the burden of proof and is required to prove their version of events to this standard. This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there could be no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a "reasonable person" that the defendant is guilty. There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a reasonable person's belief regarding whether or not the defendant is guilty.

 

Even with everything we know, it has not been proven that she was guilty of KILLING her child BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It needs to be at least a Dwight Howard Slam Dunk Contest "throw it in the basket" if it doesn't have to be an actual slam dunk. We really have no idea what actually happened to Caylee Anthony, though we can all guess what probably did happen.

 

Is that beyond a reasonable doubt, though? I'm not sending her to the guillotine and having that possibility on my conscience.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard of evidence required to validate a criminal conviction in most adversarial legal systems (such as the United Kingdom and the United States). Generally the prosecution bears the burden of proof and is required to prove their version of events to this standard. This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there could be no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a "reasonable person" that the defendant is guilty. There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a reasonable person's belief regarding whether or not the defendant is guilty.

 

Even with everything we know, it has not been proven that she was guilty of KILLING her child BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It needs to be at least a Dwight Howard Slam Dunk Contest "throw it in the basket" if it doesn't have to be an actual slam dunk. We really have no idea what actually happened to Caylee Anthony, though we can all guess what probably did happen.

 

Is that beyond a reasonable doubt, though? I'm not sending her to the guillotine and having that possibility on my conscience.

 

Ok, either I'm paranoid or I drank too much. I thought you were saying that she was guilty. I don't know if she is. But the case against her was s***. And I have no problem with her walking. At least on the first degree murder charge.

[Steve9347]

Ok, either I'm paranoid or I drank too much. I thought you were saying that she was guilty. I don't know if she is. But the case against her was s***. And I have no problem with her walking. At least on the first degree murder charge.

Oh, then we're both mis-reading the s*** out of each other's posts.

[Steve9347]

Casey Anthony, acquitted of charges that she murdered her daughter Caylee, filed an appeal today of her conviction that she lied to law enforcement officers.

 

How on Earth can she expect those charges to be overturned. The lying was proven beyond a reasonable doubt, for sure.

[southsider2k5]

Ok, either I'm paranoid or I drank too much. I thought you were saying that she was guilty. I don't know if she is. But the case against her was s***. And I have no problem with her walking. At least on the first degree murder charge.

 

 

Oh, then we're both mis-reading the s*** out of each other's posts.

 

I think hugs are in order...

[Steve9347]

I think hugs are in order...

It's guy love between two guys, yo. Though J4L might not be down, I'd hug it out.

[Jenksismyhero]

It's guy love between two guys, yo. Though J4L might not be down, I'd hug it out.

 

[greg775]

Hmmm from judge h. lee sarokin, who served 17 years on the federal bench. me thinks some of you owe greg an apology

 

"The fact that Casey Anthony was the last person to have custody of her daughter, failed to report her missing (or dead) for 31 days, consistently lied once confronted, and the child was found dead and hidden, and she failed to tell what actually happened despite repeated opportunities to do so to her family, friends or law enforcement, (even when faced with the death penalty) was sufficient to find her guilty -- not necessarily of premeditated murder, but certainly all lesser charges. The duct tape and other forensic evidence provided additional, but not necessary, evidence."

 

He also wrote ...

 

"The jury in the Casey Anthony trial was not instructed that circumstantial evidence is entitled to the same weight and consideration as direct evidence. Indeed, the words "circumstantial evidence" do not appear anywhere in the court's charge to the jury. I do not know whether or not the prosecution requested such an instruction, but the court did not give it, and apparently Florida law does not provide or require it."

 

Hmmm I shouldn't have needed too long to have the jury come to my side on this one. Guilty.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/judge-h-lee-...y_b_898550.html

Edited July 15, 2011 by greg775

[GoodAsGould]

It is kind of pointless to argue a point with someone obviously too stubborn to ever change their mind.

[greg775]

It is kind of pointless to argue a point with someone obviously too stubborn to ever change their mind.

 

I thought the judge backed up what I've been saying and what I've been ridiculed for saying.

That's all.

Edited July 15, 2011 by greg775

[Soxbadger]

The judge didnt back up what you said. The Judge gave his opinion, which in terms of a jury is equal to the other 12 jurors opinion. Furthermore, the Judge explicitly stated that the evidence " not necessarily of premeditated murder, but certainly all lesser charges."

 

Well that is great, he is entitled to his opinion, but the only opinions that count are the Jury. And that is how the American legal system works, you are tried by a jury of your peers. I cant believe people still care about this, in the words of Snoop/ Slick Rick "This type of s*** happens every day".

 

Jenks earlier remarked about how you win some you should lose and you lose some you should win. That is the nature of the court system. She was found innocent, we move on.

Edited July 15, 2011 by Soxbadger

[greg775]

The judge didnt back up what you said. The Judge gave his opinion, which in terms of a jury is equal to the other 12 jurors opinion. Furthermore, the Judge explicitly stated that the evidence " not necessarily of premeditated murder, but certainly all lesser charges."

 

Well that is great, he is entitled to his opinion, but the only opinions that count are the Jury. And that is how the American legal system works, you are tried by a jury of your peers. I cant believe people still care about this, in the words of Snoop/ Slick Rick "This type of s*** happens every day".

 

Jenks earlier remarked about how you win some you should lose and you lose some you should win. That is the nature of the court system. She was found innocent, we move on.

 

Badger, I've said in posts I would have hung the jury til we got her on some lesser charges at least. I haven't been holding out for murder. I just wanted her in jail 10 years or so cause she is responsible for this in a huge capacity as, uh, the missing/dead child's mother.

I agree she was found innocent and don't want any wackos to hurt her when she gets out even tho I was compared to a wacko that would harm people.

Edited July 15, 2011 by greg775

[Jenksismyhero]

Badger, I've said in posts I would have hung the jury til we got her on some lesser charges at least. I haven't been holding out for murder. I just wanted her in jail 10 years or so cause she is responsible for this in a huge capacity as, uh, the missing/dead child's mother.

I agree she was found innocent and don't want any wackos to hurt her when she gets out even tho I was compared to a wacko that would harm people.

 

Based on the crazy reactions to people that just look like her, i'm pretty certain she'll be living a pretty s***ty life for quite a while, regardless of her guilt.

[qwerty]

Illeisim at it's finest, greg.

 

You get more pathetic with each post. Greg, at the end of the day, the very kindest thing i can say would be that you're a simpleton, through and through. People can blame hyperbolism all they want as to why this site sucks phallus... but you sir are essentially the cause for the sites degeneration single handily.

 

Who wants to bet greg has to look up the following words before attempting to grasp the meaning of what i just stated? ... Illeisim, simpleton, hyperbolism, the, and phallus.

 

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Word to the wise, illeisim and hyperbolism are not acknowledged by the spell check, though they are indeed words.

 

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Please... pretty please even... with a cherry on top... suspend me.

 

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