Casey Anthony Verdict

[Iwritecode]

You mentioned two situations where the outcome wasnt a surprise. An avg good looking woman like her sadistically killing her daughter and then partying for a month before reporting her missing is not an everyday occurrence. Thats why it got a ton of press.

 

Actually I think it's the other way around.

 

We can thank Nancy Grace.

 

Grace's single-minded pursuit of the truth about Caylee Anthony's death put CNN's Headline News (HLN) in second place during June, the 29-year-old channel's best ratings month ever. And it also helped the network challenge Fox News in the coveted adults 25-54 demographic during primetime.

 

Of course, the bigger cable news outlets noticed HLN's ratings success. As the numbers looked better and better for HLN, MSNBC, Fox News and even CNN began devoting more and more of their air time to the trial.

[RockRaines]

The biggest story right now downtown is this one:

 

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/videobeta/?w...fb-ddcba0f2f536

 

Ultra minority, gay and black.

[bmags]

because if there's one thing her career has taught us, her single minded pursuit is all about the truth.

[Steve9347]

So how long until she's in Playboy?

[fathom]

So how long until she's in Playboy?

 

Never, the backlash against her is so strong, even Vivid rescinded their XXX offer.

[southsider2k5]

All I gotta say is I'd wax the s*** outta Casey. She's hot (not her mug shots, obviously). I mean her regular photos.

 

Really? I don't see it. Not bad or anything, but not that hot. She mostly seems like the type of girl whose costumes usually include "slutty". Some guys find that hot.

[lasttriptotulsa]

Really? I don't see it. Not bad or anything, but not that hot. She mostly seems like the type of girl whose costumes usually include "slutty". Some guys find that hot.

 

I remember when the story started three years ago, I saw her in People magazine or something like that and thought she was hot. I look at her now and not so much anymore. I think the 3 years in prison have not been kind to her. That being said, if she did make a porn, I would watch it.

[Soxbadger]

So I guess people want a new "Caylees Law" passed making it a federal crime to not report a child missing. While it seems good intentioned, its generally not the best idea to let the federal govt write more laws. The best part was on the petition it says that it will keep things from court, err you mean it just will make it easier for the govt to convict people.

[Steve9347]

So I guess people want a new "Caylees Law" passed making it a federal crime to not report a child missing. While it seems good intentioned, its generally not the best idea to let the federal govt write more laws. The best part was on the petition it says that it will keep things from court, err you mean it just will make it easier for the govt to convict people.

Eh, seems like a law that could do very little harm and a whole lot of good. It'd need to be carefully written and maybe have age levels with different rules (ie - a 3 year old missing for ANY amount of time is a problem while a 13 year old missing for a couple hours might mean Jimmy ran to the gas station to get a Mountain Dew).

[Soxbadger]

So what is the rule going to be, child missing 10 hours, child missing 24 houirs? What constitutes missing? If I tell my parents Im going over to Joe's house and Ill be staying there, when do they have to report me missing?

 

I believe the rule right now is that you cant file a missing persons report until atleast 24 hours have passed.

 

It just seems to be an overreaction. I personally think the last thing we need is more laws, we just need smarter govt.

[clyons]

I don't see any basis for a federal law like that in any event. IMO, unless a crossing of state lines would be involved, it would have to be adopted on an individual state or local level, and Congress would be powerless to enact it.

[Jenksismyhero]

dumb dumb dumb dumb dummmmbbbbb

 

This is like that federal law that was passed when the guy killed his pregnant wife. Politicians just trying to get some headlines.

[StrangeSox]

fwiw it sounds like the jury was actually pretty sophisticated:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/06/florid....html?hpt=hp_t2

Juror Jennifer Ford told ABC News that she and the other jurors cried and were "sick to our stomachs" after voting to acquit Anthony.

 

"I did not say she was innocent," said Ford, who had previously only been identified as juror number 3. "I just said there was not enough evidence. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be."

 

An unidentified male juror told the St. Petersburg Times there wasn't enough evidence.

 

"I wish we had more evidence to put her away," the juror said. "I truly do..."

 

Ashton told Dr. Drew Pinksky he saw a juror in tears at the time the verdict was read. "I have to believe that they honestly thought they were doing the right thing based on the law and evidence as they saw it."

[greg775]

I loved Dennis Miller's take on this on the O'Reilly Website:

He said it should be like a football game where a juror can throw up a penalty flag when he's heard enough and just scream, 'guilty.' Miller would have thrown up the flag when it was revealed it was 31 days before she reported her DAUGHTER missing. Yes that was enough there. Miller said 31 minutes would have proven a crime was committed much less 31 days.

 

My reasonable doubt is FINALIZED there if I'm on that f***ing jury. She did something and I don't let her walk.

 

I have a serious question for the attorneys on here.

What is the basis of the firm taking this case for free? I understand how it can benefit the lead attorney if he/she wishes to have a career on TV, or be set for life in traveling the country speaking for top dollar, but is it really worth it to the company just for free advertising?

I mean the company now figures to lose Baez (sp) anyway as he's a national hero/figure. Good looking guy who now has a career in TV. So the company loses him as well.

 

I mean 3 years of work all for gratis?

I am not naive. I understand this means the law firm that took the case FOR FREE now looks like it's the best firm in Florida history, etc. But to think of how much money the firm did not get. Please educate me why firms take on these cases for free. They lose Baez, they lose all that manpower and money. Why?

Edited July 7, 2011 by greg775

[StrangeSox]

I loved Dennis Miller's take on this on the O'Reilly Website:

He said it should be like a football game where a juror can throw up a penalty flag when he's heard enough and just scream, 'guilty.' Miller would have thrown up the flag when it was revealed it was 31 days before she reported her DAUGHTER missing. Yes that was enough there. Miller said 31 minutes would have proven a crime was committed much less 31 days.

 

My reasonable doubt is FINALIZED there if I'm on that f***ing jury. She did something and I don't let her walk.

Dennis Miller is an idiot and that's a terrible idea, hope that helps.

 

No cause of death, no motive, hard to prove first degree murder without. It's pretty clear that she f***ed up and is responsible for the death and tried to cover it up. That doesn't make it first degree murder.

Edited July 8, 2011 by StrangeSox

[greg775]

Dennis Miller is an idiot and that's a terrible idea, hope that helps.

 

No cause of death, no motive, hard to prove first degree murder without. It's pretty clear that she f***ed up and is responsible for the death and tried to cover it up. That doesn't make it first degree murder.

 

Yes but she should have been found guilty on the child endangerment and/or manslaughter. I wouldn't have let her walk.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Dennis Miller is an idiot and that's a terrible idea, hope that helps.

 

No cause of death, no motive, hard to prove first degree murder without. It's pretty clear that she f***ed up and is responsible for the death and tried to cover it up. That doesn't make it first degree murder.

 

No, the prosecution was unable to prove first degree murder. That doesn't mean it wasn't.

[StrangeSox]

Yes but she should have been found guilty on the child endangerment and/or manslaughter. I wouldn't have let her walk.

 

You're not privy to the same information the jurors have, the same legal instruction and the same deliberations. If you'd let one single fact make your vote in order to "punish" her, regardless of the states' ability to actually prove their case, then you'd make a terrible juror.

 

 

No, the prosecution was unable to prove first degree murder. That doesn't mean it wasn't.

 

Not sure why you phrased that as a contradiction of what I said? It complements it perfectly. She was found "not guilty", not "innocent", because the state didn't put on a strong enough case.

[FlaSoxxJim]

You're not privy to the same information the jurors have, the same legal instruction and the same deliberations. If you'd let one single fact make your vote in order to "punish" her, regardless of the states' ability to actually prove their case, then you'd make a terrible juror.

 

 

 

 

Not sure why you phrased that as a contradiction of what I said? It complements it perfectly. She was found "not guilty", not "innocent", because the state didn't put on a strong enough case.

 

I just think you are being far too generous to that human piece of filth by suggesting she is merely "responsible for the death" of her child. Of f***ing course she is.

 

I wish Florida was not a death penalty state and this had not been tried as a death penalty case.

Edited July 8, 2011 by FlaSoxxJim

[StrangeSox]

I just think you are being far to generous to that human piece of filth by suggesting she is merely "responsible for the death" of her child. Of f***ing course she is.

 

I wish Florida was not a death penalty state and this had not been tried as a death penalty case.

 

tbh I haven't followed the case much aside from a tidbit here or there over the past several years. I've been more shocked at the national (facebook) outrage and the desire to completely change our judicial system because of this verdict and apparently not understanding what "reasonable doubt" means.

 

Being guilty of something and being guilty of what they charged you with are different things.

[greg775]

Dennis Miller is an idiot and that's a terrible idea, hope that helps.

 

No cause of death, no motive, hard to prove first degree murder without. It's pretty clear that she f***ed up and is responsible for the death and tried to cover it up. That doesn't make it first degree murder.

 

 

You're not privy to the same information the jurors have, the same legal instruction and the same deliberations. If you'd let one single fact make your vote in order to "punish" her, regardless of the states' ability to actually prove their case, then you'd make a terrible juror.

 

 

 

 

Not sure why you phrased that as a contradiction of what I said? It complements it perfectly. She was found "not guilty", not "innocent", because the state didn't put on a strong enough case.

 

You know what? A lot of people disagree with you; that there was enough put out there to convict her of the abuse charges at least!

[Soxbadger]

And every once and a while its up to the few to stop the many.

 

Trials are about what can be proven by the evidence, its not about sensational theories. The burden of proof on the prosecution in a criminal trial is "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you had any doubt about the evidence you had to acquit.

 

For all we know the Casey's father killed the granddaughter and tried to set up Casey. Casey was arguably a bad mother, but that doesnt mean that the burden of proof changes, that she had to disprove the allegations.

Edited July 8, 2011 by Soxbadger

[FlaSoxxJim]

And every once and a while its up to the few to stop the many.

 

Trials are about what can be proven by the evidence, its not about sensational theories. The burden of proof on the prosecution in a criminal trial is "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you had any doubt about the evidence you had to acquit.

 

For all we know the Casey's father killed the granddaughter and tried to set up Casey. Casey was arguably a bad mother, but that doesnt mean that the burden of proof changes, that she had to disprove the allegations.

 

All true, for better or worse. A terribly flawed system but that's life.

[greg775]

And every once and a while its up to the few to stop the many.

 

Trials are about what can be proven by the evidence, its not about sensational theories. The burden of proof on the prosecution in a criminal trial is "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you had any doubt about the evidence you had to acquit.

 

For all we know the Casey's father killed the granddaughter and tried to set up Casey. Casey was arguably a bad mother, but that doesnt mean that the burden of proof changes, that she had to disprove the allegations.

 

Badger, the evidence at least got her on abusive behavior or whatever that second charge was. The mother did not know or care where her kid was for a month.

If I'm on the jury I heard enough to convict her.

 

There are some smart lawyers out there saying they were shocked at the verdict. I don't think it's a slam dunk that you guys are right and I am wrong.

 

[SouthSideTeacher]

I didn't understand the insane amount of coverage either. Maybe it has to do with her being a sort of typical average suburban American? She wasn't a gang member who killed someone, she wasn't some hillbilly house wife that shot her abusive husband. She was the sort of "everyday" girl that the majority of people in the country could relate too that did something truly awful in killing her own child. It's almost straight out of one of those Dateline crime shows.

 

 

I think a lot of the attention paid to this case has to do with the sheer AUDACITY of this chick. She lived off her parents, frequently wrote bad checks, and couldn't keep a job. She murdered her own daughter because she desperately longed for the 'freedom' to booze it up in the club night after night without having to return home to care for what she obviously considered to be her own ball & chain. While her parents searched for and eventually mourned the loss of the little girl, 'mom' tried to bully everyone around her into buying one of her 14 different versions of events pertaining to the baby's disappearance and death--- while her pals tagged her in facebook photos dancing on tables and showing off tattoos inspired by her 'beautiful life'. This entire series of events is disgusting. My guess is that a majority of people want to see her get what's coming to her and that's why they tune in.