greg775 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I'm going to "tip my cap" to Juan, because at least he's contributing now. Me too. It's funny how people skew stats to their liking. Juan is hitting .270 or so and has been doing well and hasn't had any major outfield problems since April. We still hear from some about Rios' talent and potential because of a short stretch last season? The eye test tells me Juan has been doing great the past several weeks. If that drives you stat guys crazy, well whatever. The bottom line is Juan was dead in many people's eyes after one error in April, his first error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 JP is still dead in my eyes. When you make as much slappy contact as he does, some hits are going to inevitably fall in. I'd venture to guess his BABIP is well over .350 since May 1. Bottomline is he doesn't produce runs. His one tool, speed, has deteriorated considerably. An extra basehit of any kind is out of the question. And then there's that throwing arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:05 PM) JP is still dead in my eyes. When you make as much slappy contact as he does, some hits are going to inevitably fall in. I'd venture to guess his BABIP is well over .350 since May 1. Bottomline is he doesn't produce runs. His one tool, speed, has deteriorated considerably. An extra basehit of any kind is out of the question. And then there's that throwing arm. I know. He's been buried by most since early April. Truthfully he probably could be hitting .320 and most would despise him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) JP is still dead in my eyes. When you make as much slappy contact as he does, some hits are going to inevitably fall in. I'd venture to guess his BABIP is well over .350 since May 1. Bottomline is he doesn't produce runs. His one tool, speed, has deteriorated considerably. An extra basehit of any kind is out of the question. And then there's that throwing arm. JP is no stud, and was a huge pile of s*** to start the season, but he's been on pace 42% of the time in July (15 games) and has only score 10 times. You can't blame runs solely on him. However, he still definitely sucks. I'm just much more disappointed in Dunn and Rios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) An extra basehit of any kind is out of the question. He has two triples this month and one this week. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Juan Pierre has not sucked since May 1. That is just flat out ignorant and it is the problem with some overly stat happy people. I just can't buy that argument. I'm not saying he's excelled either, but he's been a serviceable leadoff hitter since May 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) He has two triples this month and one this week. Really? The opener in KC was a stand up triple with Jeff Francouer in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Even with JP's supposed 'hot' streak, he's still dead last among everyday LFs in wOBA and wRC+. Yes, he'll go on a singles binge every now and then. But to give Ozzie credit for seeing to it that this guy is in the top three or so in PAs? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) Even with JP's supposed 'hot' streak, he's still dead last among everyday LFs in wOBA and wRC+. What about over the last 300 PAs? Yes, he had an abysmal April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) Juan Pierre has not sucked since May 1. That is just flat out ignorant and it is the problem with some overly stat happy people. I just can't buy that argument. I'm not saying he's excelled either, but he's been a serviceable leadoff hitter since May 1. Amen. Why don't the Juan haters just admit that after he cost us that game with his outfield gaffe early he was dead for the rest of the season in their eyes? And then he screwed up, what, two more plays in April and they have blasted him evermore. I do believe he could be hitting .320 and people would say he sucks. Do you agree? BTW, Juan does his job in the opener in KC, getting us on the board with his triple and ensuing sac fly. Yesterday he gets hit and scores a run. Doesn't matter. Offense.Is.Dead. Edited July 20, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) What about over the last 300 PAs? Yes, he had an abysmal April. I'd have to do the math to disregard April. And that's too much work for me. Just because he's not April bad doesn't mean he's good. JP has been below league average for a LF for a while now. Save 2009 when he didn't play everyday. This is key. JP as your #9 hitter is fine. JP with 700+ PAs is no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Perhaps Ozzie was still wrong for not benching him more in April. A couple of wins instead of a couple of losses and we could be in first place. It works both ways. Nobody has been ragging on Pierre since he's become serviceable again, and that's all you can ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) I'd have to do the math to disregard April. And that's too much work for me. Just because he's not April bad doesn't mean he's good. JP has been below league average for a LF for a while now. Save 2009 when he didn't play everyday. This is key. JP as your #9 hitter is fine. JP with 700+ PAs is no good. It's all relative. If you like a player you can throw out a month like it's nothing. If you don't like a player, you can harp on the bad month over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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