caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2011/0...ctor_santi.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Man, what a great story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Fathom in the game thread made the comparison to Johan Santana (in terms of his fastball)....obviously, that's a big jump, as we're seeing with some of the Viciedo comparisons, but at least there's some hope for the future. Ozzie Guillen taking a long time to talk to the media. Maybe he's having an extended meeting with the players. Something needs to be done to right this sinking ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 He better be, Caufield....Ozzie has to do SOMETHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 09:58 PM) Fathom in the game thread made the comparison to Johan Santana (in terms of his fastball)....obviously, that's a big jump, as we're seeing with some of the Viciedo comparisons, but at least there's some hope for the future. Ozzie Guillen taking a long time to talk to the media. Maybe he's having an extended meeting with the players. Something needs to be done to right this sinking ship. Maybe he's being fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Oh look. Another White Sox prospect who everybody assumes is the next ace. He's a future pen arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 This thread is a massive overreaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 What else is there to be positive about? Would it be better to dissect 6-27/7-28 (0-5 this season) against Minnesota? 8 losses in a row. 1-5 against DET, another 8 game losing streak as part of that. 7-14 in the AL Central. We haven't beaten them at home since early APRIL, 2010. What else can we positively say? That Teahen should replace Morel at 3B because he actually has some pop and might get a few walks....and that might be worth negating one of the better young defenders in the game for in all likelihood the worst at that position in baseball (toss-up with Viciedo). I don't think anyone would have predicted Sergio Santos to be White Sox closer 3 years ago, either. Or that Humber would be our team MVP before tonight, along with Paulie. We always tend to do better with "under the radar" 30th round draft picks than 1st rounders. Think of players like Buehrle or Chris Young here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 10:18 PM) Oh look. Another White Sox prospect who everybody assumes is the next ace. He's a future pen arm. The opposite. Instead of making Aaron Poreda and Sale starters and projecting unrealistic hopes on them, I'd prefer to believe in someone who has multiple pitches....can throw his offspeed stuff in the 70's with his fastball at 93-94 and also is learning how to mix in the screwball. It's been the rule for White Sox pitchers drafted in the first. My experience has always been the least hyped prospects emerge with the White Sox. Hopefully Viciedo is an exception to that rule, we need both him and Beckham to play like they're capable of. Edited July 8, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Can he hit too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 10:18 PM) Oh look. Another White Sox prospect who everybody assumes is the next ace. He's a future pen arm. I dont know, maybe he is, but either way he has major league stuff and a live arm. 95 mph with 3-4 nice breaking balls doesnt come every day from the left side. Especially with a screw ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 He's a lot better than Arnie Munoz, that much is for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I wonder if Santiago is a guy that gets easier to hit the more times that you see him, or he is a guy that is learning his stuff. He certainly came out of no where this year, that is for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Therein lies the dilemma. That was always the problem for Clayton Richard when he was with us, if I remember correctly. That and throwing away about 38% of the balls he actually was able to make a play on in the infield down the RF line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 04:06 AM) He's a lot better than Arnie Munoz, that much is for certain. I remember that one start he made for us. ozzie wouldn't take him out, then we came back, scored some runs, and made it close. I think he also had a cup of coffee with Mets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) The opposite. Instead of making Aaron Poreda and Sale starters and projecting unrealistic hopes on them, I'd prefer to believe in someone who has multiple pitches....can throw his offspeed stuff in the 70's with his fastball at 93-94 and also is learning how to mix in the screwball. A White Sox lefty who throws the screwball. Reminds me of Jack Harshman in the '50's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 We've got room for him in the pen next year with Sale likely moving to the rotation. Pitching is really not going to be our big issue going forward the next couple of years. Scoring runs is, and will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 I think the Sale conversion-to-starter thing is far from a done deal at this point. That's clearly where he has the most value to the White Sox, and after Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda in the first round, it would certainly be much better for the future of the White Sox if he could stand up to the wear-and-tear of starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) I remember that one start he made for us. ozzie wouldn't take him out, then we came back, scored some runs, and made it close. I think he also had a cup of coffee with Mets. uribe had like 11 rbis that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) I remember that one start he made for us. ozzie wouldn't take him out, then we came back, scored some runs, and made it close. I think he also had a cup of coffee with Mets. Baseball Reference FTW In the 2nd inning he gave up 2 HRs, 1 2b, 3 1bs, 2 unintentional BBs, 2 wild pitchs, 1 HBP, 1 IBB, got 2 of 3 outs via a sacrifice & a CS, yet Ozzie never pulled him and even let him pitch the 3rd. Sox actually cut the lead to 15-14 at one point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2011/0...ctor_santi.html What a great story. Kid goes from nowhere, playing in Puerto Rican winter ball (working on his offspeed stuff and screwball), to the #11 prospect in the worst minor league system in baseball to bypassing the #1 Sox prospect (and the #1 closer prospect in the game) and being named our closer. He was throwing easy, 94-95 MPH gas, almost as easy as Thornton. But there's something about his composure and moxie on the mound...amazing where we come up with all of our closers, Takatsu, Hermanson, Jenks, Santos and now Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Wow, this really changes our complexion of our bullpen and team. As long as he does well, then Reed can become an awesome set up man against righties (and emergency/fill-in closer) and Thornton still is a good setup man against lefties. Then Ohman and Crain are decent for the 6th and/or 7th inning. Still not sure about Jones and Stewart. But they won't be used as much if our starters pitch well. Makes me feel really good about our pitching staff overall. And Molina has time to develop and possibly be a starter that we use later in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 09:52 PM) What a great story. Kid goes from nowhere, playing in Puerto Rican winter ball (working on his offspeed stuff and screwball), to the #11 prospect in the worst minor league system in baseball to bypassing the #1 Sox prospect (and the #1 closer prospect in the game) and being named our closer. He was throwing easy, 94-95 MPH gas, almost as easy as Thornton. But there's something about his composure and moxie on the mound...amazing where we come up with all of our closers, Takatsu, Hermanson, Jenks, Santos and now Santiago. this is why you don't pay for closers, fantasy or real baseball. it's just dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) Wow, this really changes our complexion of our bullpen and team. As long as he does well, then Reed can become an awesome set up man against righties (and emergency/fill-in closer) and Thornton still is a good setup man against lefties. Then Ohman and Crain are decent for the 6th and/or 7th inning. Still not sure about Jones and Stewart. But they won't be used as much if our starters pitch well. Makes me feel really good about our pitching staff overall. And Molina has time to develop and possibly be a starter that we use later in the year. I'd really prefer that Stewart was getting starts regularly in AAA instead of sitting in the pen and not doing much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) Wow, this really changes our complexion of our bullpen and team. As long as he does well, then Reed can become an awesome set up man against righties (and emergency/fill-in closer) and Thornton still is a good setup man against lefties. Then Ohman and Crain are decent for the 6th and/or 7th inning. Still not sure about Jones and Stewart. But they won't be used as much if our starters pitch well. Makes me feel really good about our pitching staff overall. And Molina has time to develop and possibly be a starter that we use later in the year. We could use Addison Reed in the same type of role the Tigers used J. Zumaya when he first came up. 5th-8th inning, and sometimes in the 9th even, when there's a tie game. Seems Crain will still probably be in his 7th/8th inning role. Ventura seems to know what he's doing, bringing in Santiago and leaving Rios in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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