Steve9347 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) I spent the night before my wedding with my fiance and brother at a Batman-themed drag show in San Juan, everyone else was jealous we didn't wake them to go! Well, anything Batman is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) 99% is probably high, but I bet if you did a poll the vast, vast majority would agree that they would hope that their kid was not gay, regardless of their views on homosexuality and regardless of how they think they'd act as a parent in that situation. Fact of the matter is that life is incredibly difficult and parents (or people who want to be parents) want their kids to live the easiest life possible. You're switching what's being discussed here, though. He's not saying "I wouldn't want my kid to be gay because he'd have to deal with bigoted assholes and would have a harder life," he's saying it because he'd be ashamed and disgusted. Which is part of the problem of gays having to deal with bigoted assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) Well, anything Batman is amazing. We estimate there are zero other people in the world who can claim that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) I did read it. And I thought nothing of it. I don't equate me not wanting to be anywhere near gay sex to a white man not wanting to live next to a black man. But your ridiculous scenario doesn't say the gay sex is happening on top of you, it says that the gay sex is happening in a separate room under your roof. You don't want segregation, you just want separation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:14 PM) You're switching what's being discussed here, though. He's not saying "I wouldn't want my kid to be gay because he'd have to deal with bigoted assholes and would have a harder life," he's saying it because he'd be ashamed and disgusted. Which is part of the problem of gays having to deal with bigoted assholes. Well, i think he said 99% of men wouldn't want to have gay sons. I dunno that he claimed that that's because of how gross being gay is, though that's clearly his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) Well, i think he said 99% of men wouldn't want to have gay sons. I dunno that he claimed that that's because of how gross being gay is, though that's clearly his opinion. The funny part is that whenever my wife and I discuss having a child and when that will happen, the last thing on our minds is the worry of whether said child would be homosexual. It saddens me that some people are still so close-minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) Well, i think he said 99% of men wouldn't want to have gay sons. I dunno that he claimed that that's because of how gross being gay is, though that's clearly his opinion. You can't just randomly cleave apart what he's saying to make half-assed excuses for his bigotry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:15 PM) But your ridiculous scenario doesn't say the gay sex is happening on top of you, it says that the gay sex is happening in a separate room under your roof. You don't want segregation, you just want separation? No, just in my case that there's a time and place for everything. Any gay sex going down would not be the time or place for me. I'd have to go to a movie or another friend's house or something until they were done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:18 PM) The funny part is that whenever my wife and I discuss having a child and when that will happen, the last thing on our minds is the worry of whether said child would be homosexual. It saddens me that some people are still so close-minded. 100% of parents should want their child to be born into a world that allows them to be themselves without discrimination or hate. I will not hope for a gay or straight child, I will work for a society that accepts both equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) 99% is probably high, but I bet if you did a poll the vast, vast majority would agree that they would hope that their kid was not gay, regardless of their views on homosexuality and regardless of how they think they'd act as a parent in that situation. Fact of the matter is that life is incredibly difficult and parents (or people who want to be parents) want their kids to live the easiest life possible. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:14 PM) You're switching what's being discussed here, though. He's not saying "I wouldn't want my kid to be gay because he'd have to deal with bigoted assholes and would have a harder life," he's saying it because he'd be ashamed and disgusted. Which is part of the problem of gays having to deal with bigoted assholes. Jenks - I agree with you. As a father, I wouldn't want my kids to have a difficult life. And unfortunately, a person who is gay ( not by choice!) will more than likely have more difficulties than one who is straight. Strange - You hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:19 PM) No, just in my case that there's a time and place for everything. Any gay sex going down would not be the time or place for me. I'd have to go to a movie or another friend's house or something until they were done. Would this apply to straight roommates? What if you didn't hear them? Or is it just the thought that it could be or is happening? eta I don't want to hear or see gay sex either, that's not the issue here. Edited July 12, 2011 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) Well, i think he said 99% of men wouldn't want to have gay sons. I dunno that he claimed that that's because of how gross being gay is, though that's clearly his opinion. I do think it's gross. But I can accept if others choose that way. I could never accept my kin choosing that way. I'd feel responsible. Like I did something wrong. And like I said earlier, it would hurt me to know that I would never see a grandchild or that the family name dies (assuming I only had one kid) when he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:18 PM) You can't just randomly cleave apart what he's saying to make half-assed excuses for his bigotry. I'm not making excuses for him, i'm saying that what he says is probably factually true, though for different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) I could never accept my kin choosing that way. There are no words. This is just sad for everyone who knows you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) Would this apply to straight roommates? What if you didn't hear them? Or is it just the thought that it could be or is happening? eta I don't want to hear or see gay sex either, that's not the issue here. Look, this all started when Steve came out of nowhere and said I hate gay people. That's just not true. If I did, I'd say it. I created a scenario in which I could even live with a gay person with two stipulations: If you're gay, fine. Just know that I'm not. Two, I wouldn't be able to be under the same roof while you were interacting with another guy. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) I'm not making excuses for him, i'm saying that what he says is probably factually true, though for different reasons. It comes across as a weak justification for what he's saying. If you want to make that point it'd look better not coming off of something he's said, though I'd still say it's the wrong viewpoint to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) Look, this all started when Steve came out of nowhere and said I hate gay people. That's just not true. If I did, I'd say it. You'd be ashamed of your child for life. That's pretty hateful. Edited July 12, 2011 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) I do think it's gross. But I can accept if others choose that way. I could never accept my kin choosing that way. I'd feel responsible. Like I did something wrong. And like I said earlier, it would hurt me to know that I would never see a grandchild or that the family name dies (assuming I only had one kid) when he died. There are plenty of ways for gays to have children, at least in states where bigots haven't passed anti-gay laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) Look, this all started when Steve came out of nowhere and said I hate gay people. Please link me to this statement. I said you have a problem with gay people, which you have since then admitted to... don't put words in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:13 AM) I thought this got locked? Anyway, yeah, I don't have a "problem" with gay people. Let's put it this way. If I had a roommate and maybe a year or so down the line I found out he was gay, I'd be cool with it. As long as, of course, he realized that I don't swing that way. I would say I'd have to leave whenever he had a guy over. That would just gross me out. To know that there are two dudes gettin' it on in the room next door to me. Sorry if that sounds insensitive. Just bein' honest. Let's go back to this, which was in response to steve saying you had a problem with gay people. Would you move in with a roommate that you knew was gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) Would you move in with a roommate that you knew was gay? No way he would! All gay people do is try to hit on J4L and have sex in front of him and swap out his Jenna Jameson porns for gay porns. And don't act like that's not what you meant, because those are the three main concerns you've raised in this thread. Oh, and then there was that happy picture you painted of forever being disappointed in a future child if he or she dared "choose" to be gay. Edited July 12, 2011 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:33 PM) No way he would! All gay people do is try to hit on J4L and have sex in front of him and swap out his Jenna Jameson porns for gay porns. And don't act like that's not what you meant, because those are the three main concerns you've raised in this thread. Oh, and then there was that happy picture you painted of forever being disappointed in a future child if he or she dared "choose" to be gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 If this is what happens when the Sox have four days off, what's going to happen in the off-season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Just a question out of curiosity, say you are going away to college and you have a random roomate, would you consider it wrong for said incoming freshman to prefer to not live with a gay roomate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) Please link me to this statement. I said you have a problem with gay people, which you have since then admitted to... don't put words in my mouth. Maybe it was strange, then. I don't feel like going back. Whatever. But I don't have a problem with them, either. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) Let's go back to this, which was in response to steve saying you had a problem with gay people. Would you move in with a roommate that you knew was gay? Well to move in with anybody you would have to know them fairly well. I guess it depends. You have people that are outwardly gay. Like they have np problem letting the world know. Like you don't even have to wonder. It's obvious. The clothes they wear, the way they walk and talk. Was anybody shocked when Ricky Martin or Lance Bass came out? I don't think I could be around that every day. If you're more reserved about it. And not throwing it in everybody's face 24/7, yeah, I could deal with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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