Jerry must be so proud

[Balta1701]

I thought this got locked?

I unlocked it but moved it. I don't think there's any reason why this discussion needs to be censored (yet), it's an entirely legitimate topic to discuss, but that's why we put this forum here; for dicey political topics.

[Y2HH]

Speaking of atheists, BS claims to be an atheist (I think) but he was reading passages from the book of John to me at the bar when we had a SoxTalk meet up, so I think he's full of $H!T. Talk about gay.

[BigSqwert]

Speaking of atheists, BS claims to be an atheist (I think) but he was reading passages from the book of John to me at the bar when we had a SoxTalk meet up, so I think he's full of $H!T. Talk about gay.

You got that wrong. It was excerpts from my upcoming autobiography about being a "John".

[Balta1701]

Speaking of atheists, BS claims to be an atheist (I think) but he was reading passages from the book of John to me at the bar when we had a SoxTalk meet up, so I think he's full of $H!T. Talk about gay.

Attempting to bypass the Soxtalk Swear Filter is an explicit violation of site rules.

[Y2HH]

Attempting to bypass the Soxtalk Swear Filter is an explicit violation of site rules.

 

Sorry I didn't mean to do that. I thought I was self censoring it.

[Y2HH]

You got that wrong. It was excerpts from my upcoming autobiography about being a "John".

 

Oh, well...it was quite good then!

[Balta1701]

Sorry I didn't mean to do that. I thought I was self censoring it.

Ok, understood. I thought you were trying to sneak around it, we see people trying to be creative with that on occasion.

[StrangeSox]

While I don't agree at all with FlySox here....you throwing out a term like bigot is pretty hypocritical. You're pretty intolerant of anyone's opinions that don't conform to your own, especially conservative ones. Opinions are like assholes: everyone's got them.

You'll have to demonstrate an instance of me being bigoted or I'll have to ask you to retract that claim. Yes, I often aggressively argue my opinions, that doesn't mean I view all others as illegitimate or bigoted. I butt heads frequently with you, Y2HH, and ss2k5 but I don't think I've called you outright bigots--because you don't post the terrible stuff FlySox is.

 

Yeah, everyone has opinions. But not all opinions are valid or worthwhile. Stormfront's got a lot of people with a lot of opinions and they're all terrible people for holding those opinions. This is just a lame cop-out that fails to distinguish between well-supported and well-reasoned opinions and s***ty ones like "I'd be sad for the rest of my life if my kid was gay and I'd rather he lead a miserable lie of a life so that I could be happier"

 

[Steve9347]

as long as they are of consenting age.

Yes, nothing illegal.

[StrangeSox]

I think he means normal in this case in the typical view of society at large via majority acceptance. My point is this -- if I can even put this into words effectively -- it's not only him that thinks a "normal kid" isn't gay/lesbian, because this is a social norm by majority as accepted by society at large. In this regard, people tend to relate societal "norms" as what the majority happen to be, and in this case, that's straight. Which would make non-straights fall in the non-normal category, BUT, that's not to say they're not normal people as individuals, but in relation to society they aren't.

 

^^ I hope that comes off as I intended it and can be understood.

 

I don't think the bulk of society is anti-gay or anti-lesbian because they regard straight as the norm, and gay/lesbian as something else...it is what it is.

 

I think it's pretty clear, based on his "I'd be sad for the rest of my life and would prefer they keep it in the closet out of 'respect for elders'" that by "normal" he means "good" or "right"

[Jordan4life_2007]

You'll have to demonstrate an instance of me being bigoted or I'll have to ask you to retract that claim. Yes, I often aggressively argue my opinions, that doesn't mean I view all others as illegitimate or bigoted. I butt heads frequently with you, Y2HH, and ss2k5 but I don't think I've called you outright bigots--because you don't post the terrible stuff FlySox is.

 

Yeah, everyone has opinions. But not all opinions are valid or worthwhile. Stormfront's got a lot of people with a lot of opinions and they're all terrible people for holding those opinions. This is just a lame cop-out that fails to distinguish between well-supported and well-reasoned opinions and s***ty ones like "I'd be sad for the rest of my life if my kid was gay and I'd rather he lead a miserable lie of a life so that I could be happier"

 

No offense, but I think it's safe to say that you're a little biased and a tad oversensitive about this subject due to your brother.

[Y2HH]

You'll have to demonstrate an instance of me being bigoted or I'll have to ask you to retract that claim. Yes, I often aggressively argue my opinions, that doesn't mean I view all others as illegitimate or bigoted. I butt heads frequently with you, Y2HH, and ss2k5 but I don't think I've called you outright bigots--because you don't post the terrible stuff FlySox is.

 

Yeah, everyone has opinions. But not all opinions are valid or worthwhile. Stormfront's got a lot of people with a lot of opinions and they're all terrible people for holding those opinions. This is just a lame cop-out that fails to distinguish between well-supported and well-reasoned opinions and s***ty ones like "I'd be sad for the rest of my life if my kid was gay and I'd rather he lead a miserable lie of a life so that I could be happier"

 

That's because you haven't...and while we disagree at times, I don't believe you think of me as a bigot anyway.

[Steve9347]

I thought this got locked? Anyway, yeah, I don't have a "problem" with gay people. Let's put it this way. If I had a roommate and maybe a year or so down the line I found out he was gay, I'd be cool with it. As long as, of course, he realized that I don't swing that way. I would say I'd have to leave whenever he had a guy over. That would just gross me out. To know that there are two dudes gettin' it on in the room next door to me. Sorry if that sounds insensitive. Just bein' honest.

Clearly you do have a "problem" with gay people. You just f***ing said it.

[Y2HH]

I think it's pretty clear, based on his "I'd be sad for the rest of my life and would prefer they keep it in the closet out of 'respect for elders'" that by "normal" he means "good" or "right"

 

See, the one time I choose to try to see the best in people, you beat it out of me and force me to see the negative/bad, instead.

[Balta1701]

I'd hate to have a kid of mine doing something so obscene, so totally outrageous, so sickening as well. That's the kind of thing that would make me never want to speak to them again.

 

We're talking about cheering for the Cubs, right?

[StrangeSox]

That's because you haven't...and while we disagree at times, I don't believe you think of me as a bigot anyway.

Absolutely not.

[BigSqwert]

No offense, but I think it's safe to say that you're a little biased and a tad oversensitive about this subject due to your brother.

I share his exact same feelings and do not have a gay sibling.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Clearly you do have a "problem" with gay people. You just f***ing said it.

 

If me not wanting to be present (under the same roof) when two guys are slobbin' each other's knobs and hittin' each other from the back means I have a problem, then so be it. To me, that's not at all the same as me simply verbally or even physically attacking someone who was gay or not wanting to go anywhere near someone that was gay.

[StrangeSox]

No offense, but I think it's safe to say that you're a little biased and a tad oversensitive about this subject due to your brother.

 

Yeah, I've real-world experience with the s*** he's had to deal with. Even recently by hotel staff at my own wedding.

 

I can just as easily say that it's safe to say you're naive and ignorant about the harm the opinions you're espousing here cause.

[Balta1701]

If me not wanting to be present (under the same roof) when two guys are slobbin' each other's knobs and hittin' each other from the back means I have a problem, then so be it. To me, that's not at all the same as me simply verbally or even physically attacking someone who was gay or not wanting to go anywhere near someone that was gay.

Dude, really?

 

You don't think as you're typing that might be pushing the line?

[Steve9347]

If me not wanting to be present (under the same roof) when two guys are slobbin' each other's knobs and hittin' each other from the back means I have a problem, then so be it. To me, that's not at all the same as me simply verbally or even physically attacking someone who was gay or not wanting to go anywhere near someone that was gay.

Hey, at least you finally admit it.

 

The problem isn't that you don't want to be around while people are having sex, it's the fact that those two people being of the same sex is the deal breaker that makes it quite obvious that you have a problem with homosexuality. Really, your scenario is rather unrealistic, and your vision of gay men is ludicrous.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Yeah, I've real-world experience with the s*** he's had to deal with. Even recently by hotel staff at my own wedding.

 

I can just as easily say that it's safe to say you're naive and ignorant about the harm the opinions you're espousing here cause.

 

It's not being naive and ignorant. Naive and ignorant would me be saying all gay people are disgusting and need to be shot. All I simply said was that I'd be ashamed if I brought a son into the world only to find out later he was gay and that I wouldn't want to be anywhere in the vicinity where gay sex was occurring.

[wallyburger]

lol

 

David Cross has a great bit on the choosing to be gay thing, I'm too lazy to find it and post it though. But basically, if you choose to be gay then you're also choosing humiliation and depression for a good chunk of your life.

 

Also, homophobic is the most misused term I can think of. Just because someone doesn't want to associate with homosexuals or jokes around with other straight people calling them gay doesn't mean that that individual is actually scared of homosexuals or believes they are lesser human beings.

 

And I hate those goddamn commercials that tell you not to say the word "gay." f*** that.

 

But, it is pretty gay to hate on gays or think they're lesser in any way because they happen to be very different. I've never actually met a gay dude or a gay girl that I'd call gay/f**/etc. but I've met all kinds of straight people that I've said that about.

 

And I know about some of the reason why (there's a good Louis CK bit on that which I am also too lazy to post) but IMO there's nothing wrong with calling a straight person gay as an insult, or a gay person gay in a matter-of-fact kind of way. It's all about how you say it and who you say it to.

 

So your mentors are comedians? That would explain much about what you are espousing. You really don't seem to understand the label " homophobic ". It is exactly what you say it isn't.

[Steve9347]

It's not being naive and ignorant. Naive and ignorant would me be saying all gay people are disgusting and need to be shot. All I simply said was that I'd be ashamed if I brought a son into the world only to find out later he was gay and that I wouldn't want to be anywhere in the vicinity where gay sex was occurring.

But you'd want to hang out in the room while heterosexual sex was occurring?

 

You are being ignorant, just not to the degree that you think qualifies as being labeled as such.

[Balta1701]

It's not being naive and ignorant. Naive and ignorant would me be saying all gay people are disgusting and need to be shot. All I simply said was that I'd be ashamed if I brought a son into the world only to find out later he was gay and that I wouldn't want to be anywhere in the vicinity where gay sex was occurring.

Except for the "Being shot" part, both of those statements sound pretty much exactly the same. You don't want to say its disgusting, but you find it so disgusting you wouldn't want to be anywhere near it, and you choose language earlier in the thread designed to illustrate how disgusting you find it to be.