southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) Neither had Carlos Quentin coming in to 2008. Viciedo also hasn't struggled through 2 seasons due to injuries or had major surgeries on the way up, as far as I know. He didn't miss a month of this year with an injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 11:36 AM) He didn't miss a month of this year with an injury? You can't possibly compare the shoulder thing and the foot thing with being hit on the hand by a pitch and expect to not be laughed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:38 AM) You can't possibly compare the shoulder thing and the foot thing with being hit on the hand by a pitch and expect to not be laughed at. You are the one who said no injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) You are the one who said no injuries. No, I said "Struggled through 2 seasons due to injuries". If his current .909 OPS is "Struggling through this season due to injury" then I can't wait to see what he does when he's healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) No, I said "Struggled through 2 seasons due to injuries". If his current .909 OPS is "Struggling through this season due to injury" then I can't wait to see what he does when he's healthy. How did he start off this year after his injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:29 AM) I'd take Viciedo over anyone else in our outfield besides Quentin. no question about it. expecting him to be better than Carlos is asking a lot. wanting to replace Carlos with Dayan doesn't make us any better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) no question about it. expecting him to be better than Carlos is asking a lot. wanting to replace Carlos with Dayan doesn't make us any better Yep, if you actually want to contend next year, I really hope our outfield is Quentin/Rios/Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) no question about it. expecting him to be better than Carlos is asking a lot. wanting to replace Carlos with Dayan doesn't make us any better In the short run, it would make us worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:52 AM) In the short run, it would make us worse. Yes, it would, but only if you look at it in that scope. If you expand it to include the players that we would acquire for CQ then suddenly the talent gain for the Sox could easily outweigh just having CQ on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Viciedo and DeAza over Dunn and Rios would be an improvement. But Danks and Milledge would be much worse than Pierre and Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:48 AM) Yep, if you actually want to contend next year, I really hope our outfield is Quentin/Rios/Viciedo. i hope its Q/V and anybody but Rios but i know that is dreaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) I can't believe Danks is in this discussion. However, I would take myself over Rios right now. He just isn't any good. Viciedo is intriguing because he and Quentin are probably the same guy, meaning Viciedo would probably be doing what Quentin is if he had this playing time in the MLB. I'm going to say Viciedo would be a better option than Dunn, though. There is no way this team can get rid of Rios, though, but like someone said, a Quentin/Rios/Viciedo OF next year is pretty good if Rios can do better than what he has this year. Of course, there is no guarantee of that. Let De Aza and Lillibridge be the super-subs. Edited July 12, 2011 by whitesoxbrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:16 AM) i hope its Q/V and anybody but Rios but i know that is dreaming This is what I dream about nightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Dont get the hate for Jordan Danks. His defense is obviously major league ready and he is improving offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 01:13 PM) Dont get the hate for Jordan Danks. His defense is obviously major league ready and he is improving offensively. It is 100% all about the strikeouts. That's the entire reason for it. He's a more talented player than he's been so far, but if he can't cut down on the strikeouts, he's forever a AAA player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 07:33 AM) Viciedo and De Aza would be an improvement over Pierre/Dunn and Danks could go either way in comparison to Rios. Quentin shouldn't be a part of this. And neither should Milledge This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I still like Quentin. Milledge? Blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) It is 100% all about the strikeouts. That's the entire reason for it. He's a more talented player than he's been so far, but if he can't cut down on the strikeouts, he's forever a AAA player. Yes, exactly. He is clearly very talented, but he doesn't hit for enough power to excuse the crazy about of K's. It's seriously the 1 thing holding him back from being a productive major league outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 01:20 AM) Yes, exactly. He is clearly very talented, but he doesn't hit for enough power to excuse the crazy about of K's. It's seriously the 1 thing holding him back from being a productive major league outfielder. Unless he can find legitimate 30 homer power that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Like previously said, the "hate" referred to when talking about Jordan Danks is the fact that right now he's nothing but a good defender up to AAA standards. Remember Brian Anderson? That's all he is right now. Therefore, it's laughable that he's even in this poll as an option to bring up and "help" a major league baseball team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 Some interesting comments on here. For those of you that asked why Quentin is involved in this you should understand that I am not suggesting anything. What gave me this idea was looking at the AAA stats and seeing that Viciedo, Milledge and De Aza are all mashing right now and playing well. Then, I saw Danks who is not hitting as well but better and he is clearly the best defensive OFer in Charlotte and maybe in Chicago. So, the idea came, what if we had these 4 in Chicago right now? Assuming Danks would play CF regularly because he couldn't be platooned with Milledge or Viciedo (maybe Lillibridge) and De Aza would be the regular RFer with Milledge and Viciedo splitting LF and DH. My thinking is that Danks probably wouldn't produce even Rios numbers offensively and Rios does have the potential for a lot more. I have a feeling that De Aza would do pretty well right now if brought up and his production only exceeded by Quentin. However, he would be a good threat on the bases. Milledge's bat might surprise some. I guess my point is that the Sox probably wouldn't lose much if they changed out these 4 right now which is sad considering the salaries involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 09:58 PM) Like previously said, the "hate" referred to when talking about Jordan Danks is the fact that right now he's nothing but a good defender up to AAA standards. Remember Brian Anderson? That's all he is right now. Therefore, it's laughable that he's even in this poll as an option to bring up and "help" a major league baseball team. From people I've talked to in the past, they've seen Danks' swing and don't think he'll have a prayer against MLB competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 11:01 PM) Some interesting comments on here. For those of you that asked why Quentin is involved in this you should understand that I am not suggesting anything. What gave me this idea was looking at the AAA stats and seeing that Viciedo, Milledge and De Aza are all mashing right now and playing well. Then, I saw Danks who is not hitting as well but better and he is clearly the best defensive OFer in Charlotte and maybe in Chicago. So, the idea came, what if we had these 4 in Chicago right now? Assuming Danks would play CF regularly because he couldn't be platooned with Milledge or Viciedo (maybe Lillibridge) and De Aza would be the regular RFer with Milledge and Viciedo splitting LF and DH. My thinking is that Danks probably wouldn't produce even Rios numbers offensively and Rios does have the potential for a lot more. I have a feeling that De Aza would do pretty well right now if brought up and his production only exceeded by Quentin. However, he would be a good threat on the bases. Milledge's bat might surprise some. I guess my point is that the Sox probably wouldn't lose much if they changed out these 4 right now which is sad considering the salaries involved. To be honest, people care way too much about AAA stats on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 De Aza > Pierre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 05:58 PM) Like previously said, the "hate" referred to when talking about Jordan Danks is the fact that right now he's nothing but a good defender up to AAA standards. Remember Brian Anderson? That's all he is right now. Therefore, it's laughable that he's even in this poll as an option to bring up and "help" a major league baseball team. Actually, it's laughable that it's not laughable that he's in this conversation. Rios has been atrocious and has looked as if he's exerting minimal effort. If D2 were to replace him, your defense would arguably be better and you'd have a guy who you'd assume would at least be giving it his all. At this moment, a D2 replacement of Rios could actually be an overall improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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