ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 11:08 AM) MLBTraderumors.com is everything that's wrong with sports news & the internet Couldn't disagree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) I vote Reed. He's annihilated three levels in the minors this year. 80K's and 11BB's in 55 innings. He's on a Hudson-like fast track. I agree, I want to see Reed too. But they should definitely give a shot to Reed or Remenowsky and some minor league arm before they go and trade for anyone. Hell, even Hector Santiago should be getting more than just 1 appearance in 2+ weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) I vote Reed. He's annihilated three levels in the minors this year. 80K's and 11BB's in 55 innings. He's on a Hudson-like fast track. So we'll be trading him for a more expensive player that plays the same position but is a veteran? And throwing in another prospect to boot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) So we'll be trading him for a more expensive player that plays the same position but is a veteran? And throwing in another prospect to boot? LOL. Painful because it's so true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) So we'll be trading him for a more expensive player that plays the same position but is a veteran? And throwing in another prospect to boot? Sounds like a way to solve our righty reliever need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) Is it worth pointing out that Crain is tied for 43rd in MLB in most appearances? Jonny Venters (seriously, no h in his name?), a rookie, has appeared in 12 more games. Scott Linebrink has pitched in more games than Crain. It is. I'll criticize Ozzie for a lot of things, but one thing he does very well is keeping BP arms fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) It is. I'll criticize Ozzie for a lot of things, but one thing he does very well is keeping BP arms fresh. It's probably on accident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) It's probably on accident Yeah, it's because we are still under .500. The Braves, for whom Jonny Venters pitches, are about 25 games over .500, which means they have probably been in quite a few more close and late situations than us, in which a pitcher like Crain or Venters would be utilized most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) Yeah, it's because we are still under .500. The Braves, for whom Jonny Venters pitches, are about 25 games over .500, which means they have probably been in quite a few more close and late situations than us, in which a pitcher like Crain or Venters would be utilized most. I wouldn't call it an accident, it's a direct result of the fact that we have 6 starters, most of whom tend to work deep into games, and who Ozzie always gives a chance to earn a win (like it or not). I checked this last offseason...Every year that Ozzie has been here the Sox have been at or near the top of the league in innings from their starters and at or near the bottom of the league in innings from the bullpen. Crain's in the worst possible situation for usage...the only reliable righty in a bullpen filled with lefties, and he's still only gotten mildly heavy use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I'm looking for a hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) I wouldn't call it an accident, it's a direct result of the fact that we have 6 starters, most of whom tend to work deep into games, and who Ozzie always gives a chance to earn a win (like it or not). I checked this last offseason...Every year that Ozzie has been here the Sox have been at or near the top of the league in innings from their starters and at or near the bottom of the league in innings from the bullpen. Crain's in the worst possible situation for usage...the only reliable righty in a bullpen filled with lefties, and he's still only gotten mildly heavy use. I agree with all of the above. I think he would see more use if we were a better ballclub, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 The Sox should just look.... at Birmingham. Addison Reed. End of story. They don't need another Pena like deal for Heath Bell (as awesome as he is, particularly his slide to the mound) I don't wanna see Andy Wilkins or Trayce go for him. KW wouldn't do Viciedo for a Reliever. He's not THAT dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) Please, please don't let us overpay for a righty reliever. Especially a Padres reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Sounds like time for the Trade Winds forum to open up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) Sounds like time for the Trade Winds forum to open up. I think knightni is just finishing up sweeping and removing the plastic sheets from that forum. Edited July 19, 2011 by BigSqwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) The Sox should just look.... at Birmingham. Addison Reed. End of story. They don't need another Pena like deal for Heath Bell (as awesome as he is, particularly his slide to the mound) I don't wanna see Andy Wilkins or Trayce go for him. KW wouldn't do Viciedo for a Reliever. He's not THAT dumb. If all it took was Andy Wilkins to get Heath Bell I'd drive him to the airport right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:02 PM) I guess that's part of the problem, so many people take it as the truth and throw it out there as fact. I'm not trying to call out this post, but whenever I see a story linked to that site I always do my best to take it for what it is & isn't I understand that its speculation...I put a question mark after the thread title to try and insinuate that. But Im sorry if I lead some people in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) If all it took was Andy Wilkins to get Heath Bell I'd drive him to the airport right now. Heath Bell will almost certainly be a type A free agent at the end of the year right? In other words, his asking price has to be greater than a sandwich pick and a 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) Addison Reed looks fantastic and has been awesome so far, but I really don't want him in the Big Leagues. Going from Low-A to the Majors is a lot to ask of a 22-year-old, drafted one year ago. If they bring him up, there is a good chance he struggles and completely loses all the momentum he had. I would rather go after a veteran so-so right-handed reliever to supplement the bullpen than ask that of a youngster. Heck, I think our pen is fine as is. On a side note about Reed, his FIP numbers are insane. 0.83, 1.54, 1.11 in Low-A, High-A and AA, respectively compared with his ERAs of 1.13, 1.59, 0.96. Edited July 19, 2011 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I also LOVE that the Sox feel the need to address the Bullpen that's been unhittable the last month. But the "mix" in the line-up is just fine. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) I also LOVE that the Sox feel the need to address the Bullpen that's been unhittable the last month. But the "mix" in the line-up is just fine. " f***ing lunacy I tell ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 Besides Bell and Adams who are some cheap options out there? Maybe Qualls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) Besides Bell and Adams who are some cheap options out there? Maybe Qualls? Tony Pena can be had in exchange for a roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Tony Pena can be had in exchange for a roster spot. I dont want to see Pena in a sox uniform ever again thank you very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 02:54 PM) I dont want to see Pena in a sox uniform ever again thank you very much Then...you better be willing to give up the price for a releiver who is substantially better than Tony Pena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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