Baron Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Based upon the lack of pitching available on the market, it would be silly to just give up Jackson for anything you can get. With him looking to hit the market I think your going to get what you get even if there is a lack of pitching. As far as Carlos I think the only way you will see Viciedo soon is if he is traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Will White Sox go all in? Acquiring the Cubs' hot Ramirez makes perfect sense for an AL playoff push. http://www.thonline.com/sports/other_sport...63ef7522eb.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Based upon the lack of pitching available on the market, it would be silly to just give up Jackson for anything you can get. I agree. If you aren't getting a Sandwich Pick type player plus back, sit on Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Be interesting to hear that they are being offered for the two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) Terry Boers Sox contact says Sox are "desperate" to trade Quentin and Jackson, and that top prospects arent being offered for either player. Says 7 teams have been in contact about those two players I don't know why they would desperate to trade Quentin. The only thing I could think up is salary. They probably are really worried what he'll get next year, but unless they think he can't earn the money, with Konerko and Rios and Dunn on the books, there really isn't going to be a total rebuild, Quentin can help them win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) With him looking to hit the market I think your going to get what you get even if there is a lack of pitching. As far as Carlos I think the only way you will see Viciedo soon is if he is traded. Jackson will be a type B free agent so the prospect return would have to be better than the draft pick we'd receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) I agree. If you aren't getting a Sandwich Pick type player plus back, sit on Jackson. Unless they are real desperate not to have to pay him the next couple months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Jackson will be a type B free agent so the prospect return would have to be better than the draft pick we'd receive. Damn I forgot he was a type B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Jackson will be a type B free agent so the prospect return would have to be better than the draft pick we'd receive. You're not taking into account salary relief. We really have no idea where the Sox stand on that. They say they are broke, they bring in guys making 8 figures. They say the checks will clear, maybe they make salary dumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) You're not taking into account salary relief. We really have no idea where the Sox stand on that. They say they are broke, they bring in guys making 8 figures. They say the checks will clear, maybe they make salary dumps. They'd save 2.5M...pretty minimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) They'd save 2.5M...pretty minimal Yeah I think if it was money they would have been gone a while ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) I don't know why they would desperate to trade Quentin. The only thing I could think up is salary. They probably are really worried what he'll get next year, but unless they think he can't earn the money, with Konerko and Rios and Dunn on the books, there really isn't going to be a total rebuild, Quentin can help them win. He doesn't even save them that much money this year. If they really want to deal him, they can wait until this winter and do much better for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) Unless they are real desperate not to have to pay him the next couple months. If they dealt both Jackson and Q right now, what would they save for the rest of the year... $5 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) They'll win three and lose three over the next six, just to f*** with us... No doubt, maybe even 4-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) He doesn't even save them that much money this year. If they really want to deal him, they can wait until this winter and do much better for him. If teams needing a bat for the second half don't want to give up anything of significance for him now, I don't see why that would necessarily change in the winter, but I do agree, at least with Quentin, it makes no sense to dump him unless your getting something useful in return. Jackson may be a different story if the Sox want to save a couple million and save the million or so the draft pick would cost. The one advantage you have in acquiring prospects is your are off the hook for their bonuses and you can already see some of their development and project what they may be. Edited July 22, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 12:48 PM) We better win at least 5 of 6 or lose at least 5 of 6. That way decisions can be made to stay in this or to bail out, instead of being caught in the middle. I'll readily admit that I'm hoping for us to go on an extended losing streak and have been for a month. I truly believe it's better for our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) He doesn't even save them that much money this year. If they really want to deal him, they can wait until this winter and do much better for him. Why would they be expected to do better for Quentin this offseason? He's cheaper now for a team making a run right now, he's healthy now (which you know is a risk 2 months down the road)...and most importantly, he doesn't have to compete with a bunch of other FA outfield options next offseason, there are only a handful of available OF bats right now. I'd think you can get a lot more for him now than in 2 months. Unless he goes crazy and puts up a 1.200 OPS for August and September, which he can do but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) Why would they be expected to do better for Quentin this offseason? He's cheaper now for a team making a run right now, he's healthy now (which you know is a risk 2 months down the road)...and most importantly, he doesn't have to compete with a bunch of other FA outfield options next offseason, there are only a handful of available OF bats right now. I'd think you can get a lot more for him now than in 2 months. Unless he goes crazy and puts up a 1.200 OPS for August and September, which he can do but... I'm actually kind of shocked Quentin won't get you a good prospect, assuming Boers is accurate. Maybe teams are afraid of his arb number next year. If the Sox are "desperate" to move him like Terry says, they apparently are very afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) I'm actually kind of shocked Quentin won't get you a good prospect, assuming Boers is accurate. Maybe teams are afraid of his arb number next year. If the Sox are "desperate" to move him like Terry says, they apparently are very afraid. Or maybe we're overvaluing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) Or maybe we're overvaluing him. We didn't put him on the All Star team this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) If teams needing a bat for the second half don't want to give up anything of significance for him now, I don't see why that would necessarily change in the winter, but I do agree, at least with Quentin, it makes no sense to dump him unless your getting something useful in return. Jackson may be a different story if the Sox want to save a couple million and save the million or so the draft pick would cost. The one advantage you have in acquiring prospects is your are off the hook for their bonuses and you can already see some of their development and project what they may be. Once free agency kicks in, and teams lose players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) We didn't put him on the All Star team this year. I don't know if this is sarcasm but he did not deserve to be in the ASG in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 03:36 PM) I don't know if this is sarcasm but he did not deserve to be in the ASG in my opinion. 4th highest OPS of any AL outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I'd think we'd be able to get something of real value in return for Quentin. Sure he's streaky, but he's still one of the better power bats on the trade market and he's under team control for another year. I'm sure he'd get a decent salary in arbitration for next year but that's still nothing compared to a lot of the overpriced contracts out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) I'd think we'd be able to get something of real value in return for Quentin. Sure he's streaky, but he's still one of the better power bats on the trade market and he's under team control for another year. I'm sure he'd get a decent salary in arbitration for next year but that's still nothing compared to a lot of the overpriced contracts out there. That's a big understatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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