Cali Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'm fine with this deal as long as it doesnt include Viciedo.... That would be ridiculously dumb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) Any1 else think Sale's development into his full potential is getting hindered. I know a few think it already is with him in the bullpen this year. But its really looking like we are just gonna keep stunting his development by keeping him in the bullpen forever. I'd rather take two decent seasons out of Sale as a starter (before his inevitable injury) rather than four decent seasons as a reliever (before his inevitable injury). The goal should always be extracting the most value out of a player as possible. Filling in bullpen pieces will always be much easier than starters. They're thinking of value to our team and perhaps to others looking at him as a rotation piece. Of course they're hindering his development, but I don't believe he'll ever be an option for us unless there's some ridiculous set of injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) I'm fine with this deal as long as it doesnt include Viciedo.... That would be ridiculously dumb... If you could somehow move Rios's contract, wouldn't you move Viciedo with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Rasmus is a bit of a douchebag. Talented guy but doesn't love to play and will drive Sox fans crazy with his lack of any kind of intensity. Just coasts through the game. The Cards are hoping the Sox are focusing on Colby's 2010 season. If they are asking E-JAX + Thornton + prospects that is too much. DO NOT overpay for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:00 PM) Rasmus is a bit of a douchebag. Talented guy but doesn't love to play and will drive Sox fans crazy with his lack of any kind of intensity. Just coasts through the game. The Cards are hoping the Sox are focusing on Colby's 2010 season. If they are asking E-JAX + Thornton + prospects that is too much. DO NOT overpay for him. EJ is a type B FA, Thornton is a 8th inning guy only and money he is making he can go he cannot close. I agree prospect better be mid level and IF it is that is a fair deal for the #3 prospect in baseball 2 years ago. Rasmus hates LaRussa and change of scenery would be good for all involved. Edited July 24, 2011 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:04 PM) EJ is a type B FA, Thornton is a 8th inning guy only and money he is making he can go he cannot close. I agree prospect better be mid level and IF it is that is a fair deal for the #3 prospect in baseball 2 years ago. Rasmus hates LaRussa and change of scenery woulf be good for all involved. FWIW LaRussa is linked with the White Sox next year, if Ozzie goes to Marlins.. as Phil Rogers reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) If you could somehow move Rios's contract, wouldn't you move Viciedo with it? s*** no. By the time Rios' contract is up Dayan will only be, what, 25? I'd rather see Dayan flourish under the Sox (this is of course with a different manager/hitting coach etc.) than watch him do so somewhere else. Even if it means Rios is with the Sox. I don't see them being very competitive in the next 3 years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) FWIW LaRussa is linked with the White Sox next year, if Ozzie goes to Marlins.. as Phil Rogers reports. Rogers is the no all beat all................I would not worry about who the manager is next year. I will take this anyday .859 OPS last year (as a 23 year old); 2009 Baseball America #3 prospect overall....................... Ability to play center field. Edited July 24, 2011 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 f*** Colby Rasmus. We should trade for someone good instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) The only decent player in our farm system. That's ridiculous. The hype around Viciedo is out of control. You have barely seen the guy play and his most productive time came in meaningless September games and you call him the best hitter since Frank? To say he is better than Konerko is insulting and there are plenty of other guys who he will have a very difficult time matching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) That's ridiculous. The hype around Viciedo is out of control. You have barely seen the guy play and his most productive time came in meaningless September games and you call him the best hitter since Frank? To say he is better than Konerko is insulting and there are plenty of other guys who he will have a very difficult time matching. People were saying things like that about him before he ever played a game in this org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) People were saying things like that about him before he ever played a game in this org. Disagree, this year the hype has escalated waaaay high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) Disagree, this year the hype has escalated waaaay high. No doubt. We are going to be lucky to see him put up what CQ has hit this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) Disagree, this year the hype has escalated waaaay high. I think that's only true in the sense that people want him up to replace the garbage in our OF. The Hype around him coming in was massive. People were expecting him to be up as a 19/20 year old doing what Miguel Cabrera did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 07:27 PM) No doubt. We are going to be lucky to see him put up what CQ has hit this year. Which would make him the third best hitter on the team...I'll take it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) EJ is a type B FA, Thornton is a 8th inning guy only and money he is making he can go he cannot close. I agree prospect better be mid level and IF it is that is a fair deal for the #3 prospect in baseball 2 years ago. Rasmus hates LaRussa and change of scenery would be good for all involved. Is that a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) Which would make him the third best hitter on the team...I'll take it! well thats not saying much, comparing him to frank and cabrera is moronic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If they got this guy, Rios will be on waivers if he isn't already. I wonder if they would tell Rios not to show up anymore? With Jake Peavy, that 6 man rotation can change to 5 over night. I don't think the Cardinals want to take on a lot more payroll. Isn't Pujols' contract up soon? Outside of a pitcher, I can't see any other outside players with a lot of potential ever reaching their in this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) Is that a fact? Technically it isn't a "fact" until after the season is done and the rankings are officially established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) I wouldn't do this...Edwin + Matt are worth more than another problem child. I still think we owe it to ourselves to ride Edwin out and win this division. My guess is if it gets done it will be Matt and a minor leaguer not named Viciedo. Edited July 24, 2011 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) Edwin Jackson for Rasmus maybe. Get Rasmus and that means Rios and or Pierre are gone. We still need the spot for Viciedo, if they keep him in the OF that is. Maybe he goes to third anyway? Jackson for Rasmus would be fine. Sox will probably overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) FWIW LaRussa is linked with the White Sox next year, if Ozzie goes to Marlins.. as Phil Rogers reports. He's been linked to this organization every time his contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) I wouldn't do this...Edwin + Matt are worth more than another problem child. I still think we owe it to ourselves to ride Edwin out and win this division. My guess is if it gets done it will be Matt and a minor leaguer not named Viciedo. i dont see us winning the division with this offense. but this trade isnt happening anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) i dont see us winning the division with this offense. but this trade isnt happening anyways Well Edwin and Thornton for Rasmus is silly. Edwin is going to be worth quite a bit starting tomorrow morning, with this pitching market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) Is that a fact? Latest Elias ranking he is way down the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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