Jackson & Teahen to TOR for Frasor & Stewart (RHP)

[SoxFan1]

He was 50 games of great (July and September) and 54 of low 700's OPS (June and August) that year. Then, he hit like crap last year. I'm not sure how anybody not trusting his bat going into this year is hindsight with how he hit last year in particular.

Low 700's OPS for a young rookie IF still wasn't bad. And he was delivering XBH like it was his job. Good 09, poor 10. Not trusting his bat is fine, but saying you were certain of failure or something along those lines is absurd. .877 OPS in the 2nd half of 2010. Had great months in Jul and Aug. Again, come on.

[whitesoxfan101]

In this preseason poll, in which 65 soxtalkers voted, only 3 people thought the Sox would win less less than 88 games. Over 75% thought the team would win more than 90 games.

80% thought they would win the division and only 1 thought they would finish lower than second place.

 

I know every poster did not vote, but it seems the consensus of soxtalk was that KW put a quality team together.

 

I thought the Sox would win the division. But to say the GM doesn't deserve blame because we as fans thought the team would be good is just wrong IMO.

[SoxFan1]

In this preseason poll, in which 65 soxtalkers voted, only 3 people thought the Sox would win less less than 88 games. Over 75% thought the team would win more than 90 games.

80% thought they would win the division and only 1 thought they would finish lower than second place.

 

I know every poster did not vote, but it seems the consensus of soxtalk was that KW put a quality team together.

Thank you.

[Soxbadger]

0 time, as J4L said it makes no sense for either team. The only way Id believe it is if KW was the Blue Jays GM and was giving up a good/great prospect along with Frasor to try and "win now".

 

Since that has never been the mentality of the Blue Jays I cant possibly see them deciding that they are going to invest all of that money. The only other reason to add Jackson would be to then move him, but under what circumstances would the Sox not want the young players.

 

It just is seemingly odd. and Id be pretty shocked if I wake up to this deal being a reality.

[SoxFan1]

I thought the Sox would win the division. But to say the GM doesn't deserve blame because we as fans thought the team would be good is just wrong IMO.

This is so incredibly hypocritical it boggles my mind. You obviously dislike KW for some reason. Just say it. Because there's no sensible reason for you to be saying any of this. You can't pretend you know so much as a fan and then turn around and say, "Well, I'm not a GM!"

 

"Boy, I really liked what KW did with this team. Should be a hell of a ballclub."

 

"Oh wait, the guys are underachieving and a lot of them are having the worst years of their careers. KW sucks!"

[lord chas]

What will happen to the Teahen money? Who is the prospect? Who else does KW have in mind? There are too many questions to be answered before I judge. Pods for Lee was stupid lopsided until the cash was considered. That money paid for Iguchi and AJ. A lot of people (including me) flipped out over the Garcia for Floyd deal. How the hell could we even think of trading Brandon McCarthy! I will wait and see. KW still has my confidence.

he was good in the past. last two years have been a disaster

[SoxFan1]

The White Sox team ERA is 3.68. If I said that at the beginning of the season, you'd think we were one of the best teams in baseball with the potential offense we were going to trot out every day.

 

Blaming KW is basically assuming he sits there before Opening Day and says to himself, "Ya, this is a $130 million team that can finish .500. Nice job, me."

[fathom]

Rosenthal stating that Toronto going after Wandy Rodriguez and Heath Bell

[Jordan4life_2007]

This is so incredibly hypocritical it boggles my mind. You obviously dislike KW for some reason. Just say it. Because there's no sensible reason for you to be saying any of this. You can't pretend you know so much as a fan and then turn around and say, "Well, I'm not a GM!"

 

"Boy, I really liked what KW did with this team. Should be a hell of a ballclub."

 

"Oh wait, the guys are underachieving and a lot of them are having the worst years of their careers. KW sucks!"

 

I'll give you Dunn, as most people would. But Peavy/Rios were big time risks. Both have failed miserably.

[SoxFan1]

I'll give you Dunn, as most people would. But Peavy/Rios were big time risks. Both have failed miserably.

Peavy much more so than Rios. We gave up nothing to get Rios. It was a total gamble and so far, it's been bad for 2 halves and good for 1. Peavy, on the other hand, I will admit to being a failure thus far. Then again, who would have predicted he tear apart his lat? It's not like he's had consistent shoulder or elbow injuries.

[Kalapse]

Rosenthal stating that Toronto going after Wandy Rodriguez and Heath Bell

Heath Bell makes about as much sense as Edwin Jackson. That team is what? 10 out in the wild card and they're interested in a soon-to-be free agent closer? Is it odd that Rosenthal's report almost lends credence to the Jackson rumor?

 

 

[fathom]

Heath Bell makes about as much sense as Edwin Jackson. That team is what? 10 out in the wild card and they're interested in a soon-to-be free agent closer? Is it odd that Rosenthal's report almost lends credence to the Jackson rumor?

 

Something to consider from Toronto's POV is that maybe the Sox do this trade AND include salary relief. This really seems like a salary dump for the Sox for next year (Teahen's contract) while obtaining a righty reliever like they want.

Edited July 27, 2011 by fathom

[SoxFan1]

I don't get why this hasn't been reported ANYWHERE else is it actually has some merit.

[fathom]

I don't get why this hasn't been reported ANYWHERE else is it actually has some merit.

 

Neither was the first Peavy deal until the morning.

[SoxFan1]

Neither was the first Peavy deal until the morning.

I don't remember how the 1st Peavy deal unfolded.

[fathom]

I don't remember how the 1st Peavy deal unfolded.

 

Same way. Poster on that site stated Peavy traded to Sox for 4 players pending his approval at around 10PM at night. Story then broke nationally next morning.

[The Ginger Kid]

After what we saw from peavy and knowing that Humber is hitting a wall I can't believe anyone wants to see the sox subtract from their strength. Not unless a 5-4 loss to the best pitcher in the league has you hitting the eject button.

[Real]

I don't remember how the 1st Peavy deal unfolded.

 

some guy on mlb.com forums reported the first fall through deal at like 4am the day of the attempted trade

[fathom]

After what we saw from peavy and knowing that Humber is hitting a wall I can't believe anyone wants to see the sox subtract from their strength. Not unless a 5-4 loss to the best pitcher in the league has you hitting the eject button.

 

One has to wonder if this team has lost so much money this year that KW's been ordered to slash some of the remaining payroll for the season? 28k tonight has to be disappointing.

[southsideirish71]

One has to wonder if this team has lost so much money this year that KW's been ordered to slash some of the remaining payroll for the season? 28k tonight has to be disappointing. money this

 

Then we will see valuable trading chits being packaged with crap to free up payroll. In essence we will get little long term return on our value. It also adds to a level of risk that our remaining minor league assets might be added to sweeten the pie to remove players that might have little value.

[fathom]

Then we will see valuable trading chits being packaged with crap to free up payroll. In essence we will get little long term return on our value. It also adds to a level of risk that our remaining minor league assets might be added to sweeten the pie to remove players that might have little value.

 

Outside of Viciedo, I'm not concerned about losing anyone from our system.

[kapzk]

I am pretty sure there will news of some sort tmr morning when we all wake up

[Jordan4life_2007]

Peavy much more so than Rios. We gave up nothing to get Rios. It was a total gamble and so far, it's been bad for 2 halves and good for 1. Peavy, on the other hand, I will admit to being a failure thus far. Then again, who would have predicted he tear apart his lat? It's not like he's had consistent shoulder or elbow injuries.

 

Peavy was hurt in '08 and injured at the time of the trade. And then there's the contract. And there was part of me that always wondered about the Petco effect. Though I will admit I was excited about the trade at the time. Man if we could've gotten Haren instead. I thought he was better before the trade.

[SoxFan1]

Outside of Viciedo, I'm not concerned about losing anyone from our system.

Well, Reed and Mitchell are 2 guys I'd like to hold on to as well.

 

Peavy was hurt in '08 and injured at the time of the trade. And then there's the contract. And there was part of me that always wondered about the Petco effect. Though I will admit I was excited about the trade at the time. Man if we could've gotten Haren instead. I thought he was better before the trade.

He had an ankle injury, though. Contract, sure and Petco effect (as well as NL effect) is likely. But I don't think anyone foresaw multiple injuries and setbacks.

[Kalapse]

Well, Reed and Mitchell are 2 guys I'd like to hold on to as well.

 

 

He had an ankle injury, though. Contract, sure and Petco effect (as well as NL effect) is likely. But I don't think anyone foresaw multiple injuries and setbacks.

This is exactly why I hated the trade at the time, his mechanics are just so god awful and he'd had elbow problems the year before we traded for him, that on top of what you've already mentioned and there was just WAY to much risk involved in that deal considering his $55M price tag. And now he's made 30 starts for us in 2 full years with the club, not a lot of opportunity for the elbow or shoulder to go.