RockRaines Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) BA did have him as the Blue Jays #1 in 09, and #5 in 10. And Jays fans thought they could get more than Jackson for Stewart. I dont mind it, I am actually surprised KW took one of their top prospects. Usually its a huge WHO?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) Any word on moves the Indians and Tigers might be working on to counter this? I think a good hardy laugh would fit the bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 This trade works as the first step down three potential paths: 1) Sox bet DET today and gain another game over the weekend and now there is $$$ and one more prospect to use to try and add an impact player. 2) Sox lose today and lose another game over the weekend and this trade was a head start in dumping salary. 3) Sox stay in the 3-4 GB range and the Sox hedge their bets by doing nothing other than having shed two salaries from guys they don't need and picking up at least one guy who can help right now. The least attractive option for sure, but then this team has put KW in a horrible spot by playing too poorly to give him the confidence to 'go for it' yet being close enough to first to upset the fans by doing a full-blown salary dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) So which is it? Rasmus is the next Ted Williams or the Cards can't wait to get rid of him? Can't be both. This is clearly a case of the Cardinals choosing LaRussa over Rasmus. Nothing to do with his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) Any word on moves the Indians and Tigers might be working on to counter this? What moves do they need to make? We're throwing in the towel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:27 AM) I see these guys moved before the deadline: Thornton Quentin Floyd Ohman Unless there is some super secret extension in place you can add Danks to that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) BA did have him as the Blue Jays #1 in 09, and #5 in 10. Which shows you how weak TOR system was at that time and nothing more. Their #1 prospect wasn't even a top 100 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) Which shows you how weak TOR system was at that time and nothing more. Their #1 prospect wasn't even a top 100 prospect. There are plenty of other sources who regarded him as high as a top 100 prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I'm excited to see what De Aza can do, now given this opportunity. Based on his skill set, if he plays well, he could be the heir apparent to the lead-off man role for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) Any word on moves the Indians and Tigers might be working on to counter this? Indians are hard after Beltran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) The people that like Stewart had better be right because he's really the one guy that can salvage the entire Daniel Hudson/Edwin Jackson saga of the last year. I don't think Frasor can, although he is a decent reliever. Edited July 27, 2011 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) The people that like Stewart had better be right because he's really the one guy that can salvage the entire Daniel Hudson/Edwin Jackson saga of the last year. I don't think Frasor can, although he is a decent reliever. Holmberg+Hudson is better than anything we are getting in this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) Indians are hard after Beltran. The Indians would do the deal now... but Beltran is refusing so far... doesn't want to go to Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Rasmus to Blue Jays for Jackson and two relievers. One being Dotel. https://twitter.com/#!/joestrauss/statu...257276083580928 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) The people that like Stewart had better be right because he's really the one guy that can salvage the entire Daniel Hudson/Edwin Jackson saga of the last year. I don't think Frasor can, although he is a decent reliever. There's nothing that can salvage that deal. KW lost that one for eternity. Not just Hudson. But how good with David Holmberg look in our system right about now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:31 AM) This trade works as the first step down three potential paths: 1) Sox bet DET today and gain another game over the weekend and now there is $$$ and one more prospect to use to try and add an impact player. 2) Sox lose today and lose another game over the weekend and this trade was a head start in dumping salary. 3) Sox stay in the 3-4 GB range and the Sox hedge their bets by doing nothing other than having shed two salaries from guys they don't need and picking up at least one guy who can help right now. The least attractive option for sure, but then this team has put KW in a horrible spot by playing too poorly to give him the confidence to 'go for it' yet being close enough to first to upset the fans by doing a full-blown salary dump. Excellent post. If #1 were to play out, would we be looking at ARam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) Indians are hard after Beltran. Beltran won't accept a trade to the Indians per Gammons "Never mind that the Indians did offer to pick up all of Carlos Beltran's remaining Mets contract and give up a good player in return. The deal Scott Boras negotiated with the Mets for Beltran includes a no-trade clause, which Boras refers to as a "ring clause," meaning that if things ground to an end in New York, Beltran had the right to choose where best to go get a ring before entering the free-agent market, and Cleveland did not fit. " http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnerId=rss_mlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:37 PM) Rasmus to Blue Jays for Jackson and two relievers. One being Dotel. https://twitter.com/#!/joestrauss/statu...257276083580928 I'm going to say that yes KW could have easily bested this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehugeunit Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) The people that like Stewart had better be right because he's really the one guy that can salvage the entire Daniel Hudson/Edwin Jackson saga of the last year. I don't think Frasor can, although he is a decent reliever. No it's the prospect you'll get for Frasor in the draft that will... Stewart isn't anything special more like a horse at the end of the roto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 12:33 PM) Indians are hard after Beltran. Beltran is most likely going to Phillies, Giants or Rangers, and has hinted at the preference of staying in the NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I can live with this. I figure if the Sox lose, they could always spin Frasor for some value. Teams always give up a lot of relievers. Stewart has a good arm and some potential and I dont' mind seeing what Coop can do with him. Today's game will be pretty big as I assume it will set the tone as to what the remaining moves will be. It sure is nice having Teahen long gone. Add in the fact that Rios is now benched, even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:46 PM) If I had a clue who you were I would do it in a heartbeat. I'm PM'ing you my PayPal number. I'd like the $5000.00 by the end of the day, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (chunk23 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) I'm going to say that yes KW could have easily bested this. And I'm going to say you belong in a rubber room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I can't believe that's all it took to get Colby Rasmus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:39 AM) No it's the prospect you'll get for Frasor in the draft that will... Stewart isn't anything special more like a horse at the end of the roto. That's what I mean though: if Stewart can eat innings and pitch at the bottom of our rotation, it would salvage all of this. Going back to where it all started, I don't know if Hudson would've been more than a #3 starter in the AL anyways. He certainly wouldn't have been a #1 type IMO. Edited July 27, 2011 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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