Kenny Hates Prospects Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I'm sure this has been mentioned on here, but re: the Rasmus deal, what about the Pujols perspective? If Rasmus is pissing off Albert then dealing Rasmus off is a no brainer. Maybe the thinking there was this deal makes the Cards a bit likelier to make the playoffs while appeasing TLR and Albert? If so, good job Cards. I love how some idiotic know-it-all fans try to judge every single move in a talent vacuum. Does anyone really think that the heads of that multi-million dollar professional baseball factory over there in St. Louis unilaterally believe that Colby Rasmus is a mediocre player with little to no future? Or that this deal is a great deal from a talent-for-talent standpoint? Derr, I'm so smarte I reed Bassbol Perspecter n I no wen derr deels r badd. Derr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) Lets say we are dealing an all-star OF'er plus a good pen arm. What would be a good return? Dom Brown and a pitching prospect. You don't give up Quentin and Thornton without getting back a MLB ready part and a top 100 prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) I'm sure this has been mentioned on here, but re: the Rasmus deal, what about the Pujols perspective? If Rasmus is pissing off Albert then dealing Rasmus off is a no brainer. Maybe the thinking there was this deal makes the Cards a bit likelier to make the playoffs while appeasing TLR and Albert? If so, good job Cards. I love how some idiotic know-it-all fans try to judge every single move in a talent vacuum. Does anyone really think that the heads of that multi-million dollar professional baseball factory over there in St. Louis unilaterally believe that Colby Rasmus is a mediocre player with little to no future? Or that this deal is a great deal from a talent-for-talent standpoint? Derr, I'm so smarte I reed Bassbol Perspecter n I no wen derr deels r badd. Derr. St. Louis is soooo smart. AA and TOR are dumbasses for sure. St. Louis never makes mistakes. Blah blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) Dom Brown and a pitching prospect. You don't give up Quentin and Thornton without getting back a MLB ready part and a top 100 prospect Unless you're KW or Moz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) Dom Brown and a pitching prospect. You don't give up Quentin and Thornton without getting back a MLB ready part and a top 100 prospect I would be fine with that return if you added in one more prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) Dom Brown and a pitching prospect. You don't give up Quentin and Thornton without getting back a MLB ready part and a top 100 prospect Stark says the Phillies offered up Cosart, Singleton, and another mid level spect for Pence, so at least that if Thornton is going too. Maybe throw Biddle in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) Stewart is a decent, not great, prspect. But this perspective you are taking is ridiculous. Yes, the Hudson/Jackson trade was bad. That has absolutely nothing to do with what decisions KW makes after the fact. Zero. After reading through some of the scouting reports and putting together his AAP page, this guy is a solid get in this trade. Ceiling #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) After reading through some of the scouting reports and putting together his AAP page, this guy is a solid get in this trade. Ceiling #2. Depends on who you ask. He's lost some luster. Law is the only one really high on him. KG sees him as a 4 at absolute best. More likely a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) Depends on who you ask. He's lost some luster. Law is the only one really high on him. KG sees him as a 4 at absolute best. More likely a reliever. Yes that's right folks, we traded for a pitcher that Keith Law really likes. It's as controlled of an experiment as we can get. If Keith Law suddenly stops liking him...well, we'll know. Anyway, he hasn't really lost luster because of anything he's done. He's lost "luster" because the Jays traded for guys like Kyle Drabek and that moved him down their list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) Yes that's right folks, we traded for a pitcher that Keith Law really likes. It's as controlled of an experiment as we can get. If Keith Law suddenly stops liking him...well, we'll know. Keith Law's usually been wrong when it comes to White Sox prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:46 PM) Keith Law's usually been wrong when it comes to White Sox prospects. Not sure I'd say that. He basically hates everything the Sox ever do prospect wise, and the Sox haven't had a good system in a while, so by default, he's going to be right more than wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Taking Miller in this deal is Horrid............WTF KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) Yes that's right folks, we traded for a pitcher that Keith Law really likes. It's as controlled of an experiment as we can get. If Keith Law suddenly stops liking him...well, we'll know. Anyway, he hasn't really lost luster because of anything he's done. He's lost "luster" because the Jays traded for guys like Kyle Drabek and that moved him down their list. The Keith Law hate is so lame. This guy knows what he's talking about. Read his pieces or listen to his podcasts. He's not some imbecile who loves 29 other teams systems and makes it his mission from god to hate ours. EVERYBODY thinks our system sucks. Edited July 27, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) Taking Miller in this deal is Horrid............WTF KW! Wait, what? Who is Miller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) The Keith Law hate is so lame. This guy knows what he's talking about. Read his pieces or listen to his podcasts. He's not some imbecile who loves 29 other teams systems and makes it his mission from god to hate ours. EVERYBODY thinks our system sucks. So then his opinion of Stewart should not be discounted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) Trever Miller? WTF? He's older than my mom. My goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) So then his opinion of Stewart should not be discounted. Until he realized about 2 hours ago that Stewart was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) Taking Miller in this deal is Horrid............WTF KW! Yeah, it sure does change the entire complexion of the trade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) So then his opinion of Stewart should not be discounted. Balta insinuated that because Keith Law 'always' hates on our prospects that him giving Stewart any love is a positive. I hate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:54 PM) Balta insinuated that because Keith Law 'always' hates on our prospects that him giving Stewart any love is a positive. I hate that. You may hate it, but it's not inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Fun Fact: Jason Frasor is cousins with Bobby Frasor, for any of our southside, br. rice hs, unc fans out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) dgoold Derrick Goold Trever Miller said he's been told nothing about White Sox. Headed to join Toronto tomorrow, per his conv. with Jays. #STLcards #Cardinals Edited July 27, 2011 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I don't mind this trade at all. You have to put Hudson / Holmburg behind you and look at it for what it really is at present day: Jackson + Teahen = Frasor + Stewart + ( potentially another arm from STL ) + DeAza / Viecedo - Rios. There's a lot to like there. 1.) Frasor will lighten the load on the pen and will allow our pen to throw more innings incase Peavy and Humber continue to get worn out after 5IP. 2.) Teahen is gone this year and in 2012 + we retain the cash 3.) Stewart has a good arm and may prove to be a good starter in 2012 4.) It allows us a roster spot for DeAza / Viecedo 5.) Rios gets benched 6.) It's rumored that we get another arm from the Cards What I don't like about the trade: 1.) Ozzie saying that he still wants to play Rios / that bringing up players is not a good way to motivate underperforming starters is asinine. There's a lot more to like than not here and I think it might actually make us better in 2011... if Ozzie could learn how to manage his starters and bullpen that is. That, right there... is a big IF. Good job bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (The '05 Sound @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) Fun Fact: Jason Frasor is cousins with Bobby Frasor, for any of our southside, br. rice hs, unc fans out there. Jason is also from the area. The whole family is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I have little problem with Rios still getting some platoon at bats. As much money as he's getting paid, we almost have to play him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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