whitesoxbrian Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:52 PM) Why would Toronto want Jackson unless this a 3 way deal where they are moving Jackson, and then why dont the Sox just move him? Is a team 11 games back really adding a rental? Maybe Colorado wants Jackson? Like I said, Jon Heyman tweeted earlier that Toronto really wants Jimenez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 So this would be a win-now salary dump. Huhmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:52 PM) Why would Toronto want Jackson unless this a 3 way deal where they are moving Jackson, and then why dont the Sox just move him? Is a team 11 games back really adding a rental? What do the Jays gain from this if Frasor and Jackson are both Type B. They are taking on a boatload of salary too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:51 PM) That rumor was false QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:51 PM) Yes because Jackson really garners a really good prospect and those Rasmus rumors werent full of poo at all. Even then, the Yankees could pay a nice price for E-Jax. I'm not gonna dismiss it, anything could happen, but I'm wary to believe it because in this market Jackson should command a nice prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:51 PM) Dotel has better numbers than Frasor this year why not just get him back. Maybe Kenny thinks he can pull a Freddy Garcia kind of thing where he makes a deal and then extends a player shortly thereafter? I hate to see the SP depth gone, but if we pull our heads out of our asses and make a real run at this thing, and then get in the playoffs, having the extra reliever could be huge. I think (if true) this move definitely means we're going for it this year still, even if we're rearranging some deck chairs in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Probably because it'd be a pure salary dump and a horrendous trade(unless that prospect is legit). Jason Frasor has been as good as Jesse Crain the last 3 years. I think he's a FA after this year, but maybe he'd stay. Its not like they would be getting a stiff. The Sox need another reliever. Crain's arm is about ready to fall off. They really don't need 6 starters. I hope its true. There are some oddities about it, like why isn't it announced right now, but maybe they want to see medical records or something. Edited July 27, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:51 PM) Jason Frasor is pretty good. He can help them this year. Not only that, they dump Mark Teahen. I can't believe your boy may make his best trade in a while and you are thinking about tearing down your shrine to him. I doubt "my boy" would talk about how the White Sox players are proving so popular on the marketplace and then go trade his main chip for Jason Frasor and a prospect yet to be named, on a Tuesday night. If it's really salary they need to dump, they can do it relatively easily. Unless they were getting an absolute can't miss prospect in the deal, it sure does seem like a head-scratcher to do this deal now rather than make the parties bid the market up higher as the deadline grows nearer. Only way you make this deal now is if the spect is an absolute stud. And given that we haven't heard his name yet, I highly doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) What do the Jays gain from this if Frasor and Jackson are both Type B. They are taking on a boatload of salary too. Neither team really gains anything. This trade makes 0 sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (T R U @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Yeah that Teahen contract was really tying our hands wasn't it.. You don't trade a solid SP for a relief pitcher, especially when you don't even need one.. Im over it, there is no chance this is true.. KW has made some odd moves in the past, but this is too stupid to be legit Certainly wasn't helping us. Teahen is a waste of nearly $6 mil in salary next season, and $5 mil this season. Getting rid of him helps. He's useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) I doubt "my boy" would talk about how the White Sox players are proving so popular on the marketplace and then go trade his main chip for Jason Frasor and a prospect yet to be named, on a Tuesday night. If it's really salary they need to dump, they can do it relatively easily. Unless they were getting an absolute can't miss prospect in the deal, it sure does seem like a head-scratcher to do this deal now rather than make the parties bid the market up higher as the deadline grows nearer. Only way you make this deal now is if the spect is an absolute stud. And given that we haven't heard his name yet, I highly doubt that. QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) Neither team really gains anything. This trade makes 0 sense. These. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Forget the Sox side of the deal, this makes no sense for the Blue Jays. My guess is that some one played a joke on bucket of suck, or this will go down as one of the most odd trades ever (unless Blue Jays are moving Jackson for a cheap good player, in which case why wouldnt the Sox just get that player?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If this trade is true wouldn't Toronto still be able to move Jackson b4 the deadline as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) Neither team really gains anything. This trade makes 0 sense. Right? The more I think about it, it really is a pointless deal for both teams. neither is better because of it. Humber could do what Frasor is doing now and Teahen just plain sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) I doubt "my boy" would talk about how the White Sox players are proving so popular on the marketplace and then go trade his main chip for Jason Frasor and a prospect yet to be named, on a Tuesday night. If it's really salary they need to dump, they can do it relatively easily. Unless they were getting an absolute can't miss prospect in the deal, it sure does seem like a head-scratcher to do this deal now rather than make the parties bid the market up higher as the deadline grows nearer. Only way you make this deal now is if the spect is an absolute stud. And given that we haven't heard his name yet, I highly doubt that. If they did this trade I think it shows that Jackson wasn't as highly coveted as you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) If they did this trade I think it shows that Jackson wasn't as highly coveted as you think. Yeah, and then I will admit I was dead wrong. But why don't we compile a list of SP's available with an ERA under 4 in the AL right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) If this trade is true wouldn't Toronto still be able to move Jackson b4 the deadline as well? Yes, and I bet they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 It doesnt make sense because its prob full of crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) If this trade is true wouldn't Toronto still be able to move Jackson b4 the deadline as well? Maybe its a 3 way trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wait what? Why would Toronto want Teahen or Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:59 PM) Yes, and I bet they would. Only a really dumb organization(hello White Sox) would trade for a player with the intention of re-trading that player with in the week if they didn't already have a deal in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:59 PM) Yes, and I bet they would. I am quite sure Alex Anthopoulus can get a better deal than KW, heck AA would be able to prolly get rid of Rios' contract something KW can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 It only makes sense if E-Jax is somehow wanted by the Rockies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) Jason Frasor has been as good as Jesse Crain the last 3 years. Not even close, at least this season and last. Crain has had WHIPs of 1.176 and 1.015; Frasor's are 1.38 and 1.25. Yes, if you go back to 2009, Frasor's is better. But Frasor is 4 years older than Crain and, not surpisingly, has declined significantly. There better be a quality prospect attached, because trading a starter for a declining middle relieve isn't a serious effort in the least. Edited July 27, 2011 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I don't get why Toronto wants either guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:59 PM) Yeah, and then I will admit I was dead wrong. But why don't we compile a list of SP's available with an ERA under 4 in the AL right now? You do realize Edwin Jackson is most likely a 2 month rental or will cost a ton next year, and while ultra talented his performance has been far from consistent. You really don't know what you would be getting. You may get 2 months of Cy Young calibur pitching or 5th starter numbers, if that. Teams are going away from giving top prospects for those types anymore. Look at the crap Cleveland got for CC, a far surer bet. Edited July 27, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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