Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal Source: #RedSox also want Thornton, as reported by @BNightengale. Thornton could go. Quentin may be more a winter move. #tradedeadline #MLB Thornton is probably gone im thinking, which does hurt our chances despite what some of you are saying, especially with how much we've had to use the pen, and you're subtracting? yeah If he went to Boston, not only does it weaken the White Sox, it makes a team they have to beat if they want to win the WS stronger. It would be a curious move to say the least unless KW got back major leaguers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) What a f***ing mistake... I'm coining a phrase right now. KW is blinded by the "AL Central Illusion of Contention", where in the division is SO BAD that putting a team that underperforms in one facet of the game EVERY NIGHT, but is only 3 games out due to aforementioned bad division, is okay and said facet of the game needs no changes because "look how close we are to first with the team we have now" I don't know how dumping one of your better players for marginal prospects makes the team any better down the road. If a team wants Quentin for prospects, KW is doing the wise thing and making sure there the top of the line guys. If not, screw you. BTW, the Sox are so bad they are 4-0 vs. Boston this year. Boston and NYY are going to have pitching problems. Get into the playoffs and anything can happen. Edited July 30, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) What a f***ing mistake... I'm coining a phrase right now. KW is blinded by the "AL Central Illusion of Contention", where in the division is SO BAD that putting a team that underperforms in one facet of the game EVERY NIGHT, but is only 3 games out due to aforementioned bad division, is okay and said facet of the game needs no changes because "look how close we are to first with the team we have now" The part you missed is that the players being offered is not what he wanted. Thats how it should be, you need to hold onto your assets unless you are getting a better return that you would if he was on our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) If he went to Boston, not only does it weaken the White Sox, it makes a team they have to beat if they want to win the WS stronger. It would be a curious move to say the least unless KW got back major leaguers. I dont see him trading Thornton to a contending AL team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 hey rock, hearing any new rumblings or they in wait and see mode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) I dont see him trading Thornton to a contending AL team. I couldn't see it either, just like I couldn't see the Cubs trading Ramirez to the Sox. If he helped the Sox win a WS, it would be a nail in their coffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Watch when Doug Davis is our fifth starter and leading us through the playoffs....haha. Actually, trading Thornton does make sense, but we're going to have to get a huge return (thinking Ricardo Rincon for Brian Giles here) that just overwhelms KW. And definitely freeing up the salary/payroll situation for 2012 and beyond helps out, too. You just have to think that any savings will disappear with a lowered payroll and not be plugged back into signing international free agents or scouting/drafting. The only money that's going to be extended uncomfortably will be for Buehrle (2-3 years) and not for Danks (4-6 years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) Oh man all this SOS talk gave me an idea I wish I were photoshop skilled in anyway, but maybe someone here can pull it off: Take the Sox early 80's logo with the guy batting with S-O-X underneath... Flip it so the batter is upside down and change S-O-X into S-O-S with the same font as the real logo. Could also stand for "Same Old s***" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 12:05 PM) Watch when Doug Davis is our fifth starter and leading us through the playoffs....haha. Actually, trading Thornton does make sense, but we're going to have to get a huge return (thinking Ricardo Rincon for Brian Giles here) that just overwhelms KW. And definitely freeing up the salary/payroll situation for 2012 and beyond helps out, too. You just have to think that any savings will disappear with a lowered payroll and not be plugged back into signing international free agents or scouting/drafting. The only money that's going to be extended uncomfortably will be for Buehrle (2-3 years) and not for Danks (4-6 years). What's Humber's status beyond this year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) We control Humber's rights for at least 4 more seasons (3 of them would be arbitration eligible). Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...just guessing. He had the equivalent of about 1 full season of service time over the course of his entire MLB career coming into April, 2010. Edited July 30, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) We control Humber's rights for at least 4 more seasons (3 of them would be arbitration eligible). Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...just guessing. He had the equivalent of about 1 full season of service time over the course of his entire MLB career coming into April, 2010. I think that keeps him pre-arb for 2 more seasons. He's basically ours as long as he's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) Give me Reddick, Iglesias OR Ranaudo, and Vazquez. If they want Thornton too, I want both Iglesias and Ranaudo. Give me Ranaudo, Reddick, and Lavarnway (send them Flowers). Also, send me something to drug Theo to make it happen. Edited July 30, 2011 by Quinarvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 03:05 PM) Why do soxfans like British petroleum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Red Sox acquire Mike Aviles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 03:53 PM) Red Sox acquire Mike Aviles Well that's it, the AL is decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 @whitesox Chicago White Sox Williams: Chances of any deal "very unlikely," saying potential deals all would hurt club's chances to win division. #WhiteSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 11:55 PM) Ibanez is still in the line-up. Brown is going back to AAA. Ewww. What a shame. I guess they don't have the balls to bench a guy making $10 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 were all in again woooooooooooooooooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 03:53 PM) @whitesox Chicago White Sox Williams: Chances of any deal "very unlikely," saying potential deals all would hurt club's chances to win division. #WhiteSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Don't give KW that drug Bradley Cooper was taking in Limitless. We'd have a new 25 man roster by 4 p.m. tomorrow. Jacob Turner's stranded four runners already in scoring position against LAA, 4 K's, lots of pitches...still 0-0 in the bottom of the 3rd. Seems pretty easy to run on him. Had lost 3 decisions in a row in AAA and gave up 7 runs in one of those outings. Angels could really use Napoli's bat again...one of the hottest hitters in baseball recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) @whitesox Chicago White Sox Williams: Chances of any deal "very unlikely," saying potential deals all would hurt club's chances to win division. #WhiteSox Fan f***ing tastic... You know what's hurting the chances of winning the division? 5 of the 9 guys in the line-up being awful. Way to address the MAIN ISSUE OF THE TEAM. I'm not even talking about getting rid of CQ anymore. I'm talking about doing nothing to address the needs of the team going forward. De Aza is a start but KW benching of Rios "for a long time" lasted all of 2 games.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 It's really pushing it to say DeAza should be starting every single game, against righties and lefties. Still, Ozzie's normally "superstitious" enough when the team's winning games not to change things around too much, like when Morel was in the 2 hole and struggling but the team was doing pretty well for awhile. Like it or not, Rios is a decent hitter against lefties, he's not been a disaster hitting at home and he has a decent track record against Lester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 05:02 PM) I'm not even talking about getting rid of CQ anymore. I'm talking about doing nothing to address the needs of the team going forward. De Aza is a start but KW benching of Rios "for a long time" lasted all of 2 games.... It's a platoon. Any time you give this manager a LH and RH batter that play the same position, it automatically becomes a platoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 The fact of the matter is that if we go out and make Quentin, Danks/Floyd and Thornton available this offseason...we might get an even better return. Might be worse...who knows, but you simply can't give up on 2011 yet. If someone offers something sweet for Thornton or Ohman, or Frasier Crain, then you can at least give it careful consideration, but you can't really touch the core of the team, which you would if you move Quentin/Danks/Floyd. Imagine if we traded 3-4 of those guys and the Tigers and Indians stayed 0-6 games over .500 for the remainder of the season, we'd be hearing from Sox fans all offseason how they didn't make any effort to go for it. That White Flag trade still riles a lot of old Sox fans, and we were about the same number of games back and similar record at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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