Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:43 PM) How's his defense? Bad enough that this thread has already talked about moving him to the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:42 PM) He'd be far superior to Morel offensively at 3b Who wouldn't. If we wanted to take a gamble on an underachieving third base prospect, KW should make a move for Ian Stewart. At least he can play some defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) Who wouldn't. Alex Rios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:40 PM) Gamel does have some good potential. We'd give him a shot at 3b it would seem. However, price is going to be high for him since he's Prince's replacement. I was under the impression that Gamel wasn't really part of the Brewers future anymore. He also has some serious work to do with his approach. He looks like Russ Branyan/Ross Gload at bat, and thats a terrible combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:43 PM) How do you know? Cause it would be hard to be worse, and the question about Gamel has never really been his offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) Alex Rios. Shoot, that is pretty much a wash offensively there. At least Morel will hustle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:48 PM) Cause it would be hard to be worse, and the question about Gamel has never really been his offense. Really, if there were no question about his offense, wouldn't he be in the majors already, at least moved to a new position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) Really, if there were no question about his offense, wouldn't he be in the majors already, at least moved to a new position? LF Braun 1B Prince RF Corey Hart DH - it's the NL Where exactly are you playing him, Balta? They've thrown him at 3rd a few times, but come on, not everything is as cut and dry as you always want it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:48 PM) Cause it would be hard to be worse, and the question about Gamel has never really been his offense. agreed. Has there ever been a player that has gotten more of a free pass than Morel? The rios and dunn struggles have really hidden the fact that this guy has been abysmal on offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:51 PM) LF Braun 1B Prince RF Corey Hart DH - it's the NL Where exactly are you playing him, Balta? They've thrown him at 3rd a few times, but come on, not everything is as cut and dry as you always want it to be. Ahead of Casey McGee and Josh Wilson at 3b? Here's a question for you. Which team has a worse OPS on the season at 3b, the White Sox or the Brewers? I'll give you a moment to ponder that since I'm typing the question. The Brewers have actually gotten less production at 3b than the White Sox have this year. They've gotten a .537 OPS out of their 3b spot, but they haven't used Gamel to replace that position. Brent Morel at 3b would be an upgrade of 30 points of OPS for them. So, Matt Gamel is not replacing Brent Morel for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) agreed. Has there ever been a player that has gotten more of a free pass than Morel? The rios and dunn struggles have really hidden the fact that this guy has been abysmal on offense The difference is Morel is a rookie who is playing great defense and making the league minimum. How angry can you be about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) Ahead of Casey McGee and Josh Wilson at 3b? Here's a question for you. Which team has a worse OPS on the season at 3b, the White Sox or the Brewers? I'll give you a moment to ponder that since I'm typing the question. The Brewers have actually gotten less production at 3b than the White Sox have this year. They've gotten a .537 OPS out of their 3b spot, but they haven't used Gamel to replace that position. Brent Morel at 3b would be an upgrade of 30 points of OPS for them. So, Matt Gamel is not replacing Brent Morel for the Sox. I didn't list 3B because it's clear he shouldn't be playing 3b. You stick his ass in the outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:57 PM) I didn't list 3B because it's clear he shouldn't be playing 3b. You stick his ass in the outfield. Then why did this particular discussion start with fathom saying "He'd be far superior offensively to Morel at 3b"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:56 PM) The difference is Morel is a rookie who is playing great defense and making the league minimum. How angry can you be about that? Doesn't mean he still doesn't suck on offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) Then why did this particular discussion start with fathom saying "He'd be far superior offensively to Morel at 3b"? I think we'd give him a shot at 3b...unless we trade the rest of our starting corner outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:59 PM) I think we'd give him a shot at 3b...unless we trade the rest of our starting corner outfielders. Then why have the Brewers not done so when Brent Morel is significantly outproducing their 3b spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) Then why did this particular discussion start with fathom saying "He'd be far superior offensively to Morel at 3b"? Let me jump into fathom's melon and figure that one out. Why don't you reply to his posts and ask him that question? Yes, I don't think there's any question that Gamel would hit better than Morel. However, he'd be an abomination fielding the hot corner on a consistent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 guy who sits next to me at work is a big Brewers fan and as big a baseball forum nerd as me - said that Mat Gamel is supposedly the Brewers replacement for when Fielder leaves next season and doubts he will be traded unless something good comes back to them from Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Highly unlikely we'd be trading MLBers for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:59 PM) Doesn't mean he still doesn't suck on offense All 3 of those guys suck on offense, I am telling you why his case is DIFFERENT. Who are you going to give the more slack to, the guys who are making over $12M a year, doing terrible on offense, are aging veterans in the league, and while one is playing poor defense, the other plays almost NO defense, or the guy who makes league minimum, is doing terrible on offense, is a rookie in the league, and is playing great defense while hitting out of the 9th spot with very little expectations or reliance offensively? It's pretty damn easy to see why people are more pissed off about Rios and Dunn than Brent Morel. Did I really need to spell that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:57 PM) I didn't list 3B because it's clear he shouldn't be playing 3b. You stick his ass in the outfield. Well, that argument would make sense if he hasn't played the vast majority of his career, including at the MLB level, at 3B. And considering the Brewers still haven't made a position change, I think they would be willing to deal with the below average defense at 3B if they thought he would be able to hit at all. I don't think the Brewers think he can hit MLB pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Of course they would put up with his terrible defense, its the Brewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:04 PM) Well, that argument would make sense if he hasn't played the vast majority of his career, including at the MLB level, at 3B. And considering the Brewers still haven't made a position change, I think they would be willing to deal with the below average defense at 3B if they thought he would be able to hit at all. I don't think the Brewers think he can hit MLB pitching. Yeah...with the fact that Casey McGeHee is also rated as below average fielding at 3b (-4.6 career UZR/150), Gamel's defense would have to be worse than has ever been seen by man for him to not make up the difference by putting up an .800 OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Gamel's defense is absolutely horrible. There is no chance he can play 3B or OF. The only position he can play is 1B. Jim Callis of Baseball America had him down as the worst 3b defensive prospect in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Call me crazy but uh... Carlos Gomez just broke his collarbone. They might need a CF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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