Who Do You Dislike More?

[Pants Rowland]

Rosenbloom's article today is one of the most direct shots across the bow against the White Sox (not cheap shots from Cowley) that you're likely to ever see.

 

And every Sox fan can't find a single word to disagree with, for a change.

 

That was spot on. I thought he should have been pulled in the middle of the inning for that play. No one knows what is going through a man's head and Guillen alludes that Rios is taking every at bat to the field with him, but whether it is because he doesn't care or cares WAY too much, the response should probably be the same, bench him. Pull him aside after the game in private and let him know how much you care about him but that his mind is not in the right place, it is hurting the team in many ways beyond just his poor performance, and he is going to get some time extended time off. Put in De Aza and see how good of a teammate Rios can be from the bench.

[MiddleCoastBias]

That was spot on. I thought he should have been pulled in the middle of the inning for that play. No one knows what is going through a man's head and Guillen alludes that Rios is taking every at bat to the field with him, but whether it is because he doesn't care or cares WAY too much, the response should probably be the same, bench him. Pull him aside after the game in private and let him know how much you care about him but that his mind is not in the right place, it is hurting the team in many ways beyond just his poor performance, and he is going to get some time extended time off. Put in De Aza and see how good of a teammate Rios can be from the bench.

Great post; well articulated.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Adult fans who use their children as excuses to pump up business at their ebay stores are despicable wastes of the energy they consume.

 

As far as Alex goes, the talent is there and it's more than Adam Dunn has. There' definitely the chance of a rebound for him, and a chance to become much better than he has been in several years. There's also no reason to be pessimistic about it since it can't really get worse from here. He's owed less money tomorrow than he is today, and he's not going to be any less of a threat in August than he has been in July. But for anything good to happen for him, a lot has to go right, and it will likely have to start with a new hitting coach and a new manager.

 

With Dunn it's just mental I think, but same thing. If he's going to get better it'll have to be the result of a new environment around him.

 

Time to start canning some coaches. Coop is the only one we definitely want to keep, although Cox's enthusiasm may ease the transition. Other than that, a total housecleaning is in order. And who knows, maybe we could make a small run then?

[elrockinMT]

Despise is a strong word. "Dissapointed in" maybe a better way to phrase it

[Texsox]

Both, in bunches.

[greg775]

When is the last time this happened to a franchise? I mean two key players going from good to absolutely horrible in the same season, without injuries?

These are guys in their primes, with pretty good career numbers, who seem to have simply forgotten how to play the game.

 

This has to be the most frustrating circumstance imagineable for them, management and the fans. It's one thing to lose a player to injury, but it's another altogether to suddenly lose two players to ineptitude.

 

There's nothing unusual about a slump, and almost every player has them, sooner or later. But, can you call 4 months a slump?

 

We should make a list of players who suddenly hit the brick wall and were terrible like Dunn.

1.) Steve Sax.

2.) Carlton Fisk suddenly couldn't catch the ball behind the plate and was finally done. Although to be fair he was probably 55 years old at the time.

3.) Dan Pasqua with the White Sox.

4.) Bobby Bonds with the White Sox.

 

Those are my starters.

[OilCan]

Who do I despise more?

 

Ozzie and his family.

KW.

Greg Walker.

Most of the front office.

Jerry Reinsdorf for not canning the above first two mentioned village idiots.

[greg775]

Thornton a bucket of suck? Next year when Sale is in the rotation, if the Sox get rid of Thornton, you'll see what suck really is from the left side in the bullpen.

 

I just saw the mocking highlights of ESPN on Dunn's hitting and fielding gems tonight.

He really, truly should retire.

He's an embarrassment. He really is.

Not saying it's his fault. He is just a clown.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I just saw the mocking highlights of ESPN on Dunn's hitting and fielding gems tonight.

He really, truly should retire.

He's an embarrassment. He really is.

Not saying it's his fault. He is just a clown.

 

It's not his fault that he's having one of the worst season's in baseball history since the dead-ball era?

Edited August 2, 2011 by Jordan4life

[greg775]

It's not his fault that he's having one of the worst season's in baseball history since the dead-ball era?

 

I guess I meant to say, that maybe he's trying, by all accounts he apparently is trying, but his results truly are an embarrassment to himself and the game of baseball.

He was a bumbling buffoon at first base and his strikeouts tonight were really, really bad.

He just needs to retire or at least shut it down til spring training.

Edited August 2, 2011 by greg775

[TaylorStSox]

at soxtalk?

 

 

 

the dark skinned guy, of course.

 

It kind of makes you wonder. We are the same fan base that boo'd Frank Thomas, called Albert Belle a bust, embraced Crede over Uribe and Rowand over Dye, called Jose Contreras a bum etc... I'm just saying...

 

The thing that I find funny is that Dunn doesn't even have a chance to play hard. He goes up, swings at bad pitches and sits on the bench. Pitchers run more than Adam Dunn. I'm not saying Rios isn't dogging it. I really don't know how much he cares. He doesn't say anything when he's going good or bad. It reminds me of that Jay Mohr skit about Boston fans. "That Antoine Walker... He does it all. He rebounds. He shoots threes." Then they get rid of Walker. "That Antoine Walker... All he did was shoot threes. He's a bum." When Rios is going good people say he's smooth and makes everything look effortless. Then he sucks and people say he's dogging it.

 

The bottom line is they both suck. They're both costing us games. They're both going to handcuff us for a while.

[Lillian]

We should make a list of players who suddenly hit the brick wall and were terrible like Dunn.

1.) Steve Sax.

2.) Carlton Fisk suddenly couldn't catch the ball behind the plate and was finally done. Although to be fair he was probably 55 years old at the time.

3.) Dan Pasqua with the White Sox.

4.) Bobby Bonds with the White Sox.

 

Those are my starters.

 

Yes, but can you think of an instance where two players both completely forgot how to hit?

All of those examples were guys way past their primes, except Sax.

 

It is very rare, I'm sure.

[Milkman delivers]

It kind of makes you wonder. We are the same fan base that boo'd Frank Thomas, called Albert Belle a bust, embraced Crede over Uribe and Rowand over Dye, called Jose Contreras a bum etc... I'm just saying...

 

The thing that I find funny is that Dunn doesn't even have a chance to play hard. He goes up, swings at bad pitches and sits on the bench. Pitchers run more than Adam Dunn. I'm not saying Rios isn't dogging it. I really don't know how much he cares. He doesn't say anything when he's going good or bad. It reminds me of that Jay Mohr skit about Boston fans. "That Antoine Walker... He does it all. He rebounds. He shoots threes." Then they get rid of Walker. "That Antoine Walker... All he did was shoot threes. He's a bum." When Rios is going good people say he's smooth and makes everything look effortless. Then he sucks and people say he's dogging it.

 

The bottom line is they both suck. They're both costing us games. They're both going to handcuff us for a while.

 

Yes, if you're a moron. Those are ridiculous generalizations that you're making. I'll especially disagree with that Crede/Uribe and Rowand/Dye crap.

 

I couldn't f***ing stand Crede and I liked Uribe for some reason. I thought Rowand was a complete boner and steroid abuser while I considered Dye one of the most consistent hitters in baseball during his tenure with the Sox. And I know a lot of people that thought the exact same way.

[TaylorStSox]

Yes, but can you think of an instance where two players both completely forgot how to hit?

All of those examples were guys way past their primes, except Sax.

 

It is very rare, I'm sure.

 

Chuck Knoblauch? Both Rios and Dunn have the hitting version of what Knoblauch and Sax had in the field. At least Rios hit the ball hard once today and doesn't miss the ball by more than a foot in every AB?

[greg775]

Yes, if you're a moron. Those are ridiculous generalizations that you're making. I'll especially disagree with that Crede/Uribe and Rowand/Dye crap.

 

I couldn't f***ing stand Crede and I liked Uribe for some reason. I thought Rowand was a complete boner and steroid abuser while I considered Dye one of the most consistent hitters in baseball during his tenure with the Sox. And I know a lot of people that thought the exact same way.

 

Great post.

Rios is a bum and all of baseball (except KW) knew it.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Yes, if you're a moron. Those are ridiculous generalizations that you're making. I'll especially disagree with that Crede/Uribe and Rowand/Dye crap.

 

I couldn't f***ing stand Crede and I liked Uribe for some reason. I thought Rowand was a complete boner and steroid abuser while I considered Dye one of the most consistent hitters in baseball during his tenure with the Sox. And I know a lot of people that thought the exact same way.

 

Other than Heads, I don't think anybody from this board is racist.

[greg775]

Other than Heads, I don't think anybody from this board is racist.

 

And when did the fans boo Frank Thomas? When he came back with another team?

Did some idiots boo him near the end of his Sox tenure for some reason? I don't remember him being booed much.

[TaylorStSox]

Yes, if you're a moron. Those are ridiculous generalizations that you're making. I'll especially disagree with that Crede/Uribe and Rowand/Dye crap.

 

I couldn't f***ing stand Crede and I liked Uribe for some reason. I thought Rowand was a complete boner and steroid abuser while I considered Dye one of the most consistent hitters in baseball during his tenure with the Sox. And I know a lot of people that thought the exact same way.

 

Maybe you liked Uribe because he was a damn good player that played hard, was excellent defensively and was incredibly clutch? If you don't think Crede and Rowand get more love than Dye and Uribe then you need to get off the computer for a bit and check out real life. Thomas was boo'd throughout his career. Belle was boo'd and called a bust despite kicking ass in a Sox uniform. Contreras passion and brain were questioned his whole time he was with the Sox.

 

I just don't understand why Rios is a bum/dog despite playing better, albeit ever so slightly, than Dunn and actually playing in the field. For some reason people are real selective about who they call a bum/dog. That AJ, boy he plays hard, even though the next time he runs out a pop up will be the first. I really don't get it. Rios and Lilly both dog a play in the same game. Lilly's actually costs the winning run. Yet, Rios is the bum and Lilly, well he's a cute little guy.

[TaylorStSox]

Other than Heads, I don't think anybody from this board is racist.

 

 

I'm not specifically talking about the board, but the overall attitude of the fan base. I never specifically called anybody racist, but am wondering aloud. Why is it okay for Dunn to be one of the worst hitters in over 100 years, but not Rios?

[greg775]

Maybe you liked Uribe because he was a damn good player that played hard, was excellent defensively and was incredibly clutch? If you don't think Crede and Rowand get more love than Dye and Uribe then you need to get off the computer for a bit and check out real life. Thomas was boo'd throughout his career. Belle was boo'd and called a bust despite kicking ass in a Sox uniform. Contreras passion and brain were questioned his whole time he was with the Sox.

 

I just don't understand why Rios is a bum/dog despite playing better, albeit ever so slightly, than Dunn and actually playing in the field. For some reason people are real selective about who they call a bum/dog. That AJ, boy he plays hard, even though the next time he runs out a pop up will be the first. I really don't get it. Rios and Lilly both dog a play in the same game. Lilly's actually costs the winning run. Yet, Rios is the bum and Lilly, well he's a cute little guy.

 

Taylor you are off your rocker IMO. The hate on here is not race based in any way.

1.) Thomas wasn't booed as a White Sox. He just wasn't. I mean maybe some dopes booed him late in his career or something. Belle deserved to be booed.

2.) Are you crazy? Rowand is totally hated on this board. I know cause I love him.

3.) Lilly is despised by me on this board. His batting stance is ridiculous and his bunt attempt tonight was disgraceful. I think he's a serviceable utility guy.

4.) Rios is god awful. That is apparent. Dunn sucks too. I think they are equal buckets of suck, but Rios dogging it has pissed people off, including Stoney.

Edited August 2, 2011 by greg775

[Milkman delivers]

Maybe you liked Uribe because he was a damn good player that played hard, was excellent defensively and was incredibly clutch? If you don't think Crede and Rowand get more love than Dye and Uribe then you need to get off the computer for a bit and check out real life. Thomas was boo'd throughout his career. Belle was boo'd and called a bust despite kicking ass in a Sox uniform. Contreras passion and brain were questioned his whole time he was with the Sox.

 

I just don't understand why Rios is a bum/dog despite playing better, albeit ever so slightly, than Dunn and actually playing in the field. For some reason people are real selective about who they call a bum/dog. That AJ, boy he plays hard, even though the next time he runs out a pop up will be the first. I really don't get it. Rios and Lilly both dog a play in the same game. Lilly's actually costs the winning run. Yet, Rios is the bum and Lilly, well he's a cute little guy.

 

They say the same things about a lot of white players. You're just pretending or "seeing" only what you want. Tons of people thought Thome was a bum and couldn't wait to get him out of town. Floyd and Garland both have/had their passion and brains questioned constantly. Thomas was booed by a select few because he was perceived as a jerk due to his relationship with the media. AJ is booed in absolutely every city in which he plays for very similar reasons. I'll buy that Crede got more love than Uribe did (due mainly to his offense carrying the Sox down the stretch in 2005), but Rowand only gets more love from those fools that bought into grinderball wholesale. The vast majority of Sox fans know and admit that Dye contributed much more to this team.

 

But yep, we're all racists.

 

Even J4L says otherwise, and I'm guessing he'd be a little more of an authority on it.

[TaylorStSox]

Taylor you are off your rocker IMO. The hate on here is not race based in any way.

1.) Thomas wasn't booed as a White Sox. He just wasn't. I mean maybe some dopes booed him late in his career or something.

2.) Are you crazy? Rowand is totally hated on this board. I know cause I love him.

3.) Lilly is despised by me on this board. His batting stance is ridiculous and his bunt attempt tonight was disgraceful. I think he's a serviceable utility guy.

4.) Rios is god awful. That is apparent. Dunn sucks too. I think they are equal buckets of suck, but Rios dogging it has pissed people off, including Stoney.

 

 

Thomas wasn't boo'd? Really? He was probably the most under appreciated sports star I can think of.

 

Again, I'm not directing this specifically at the board.

[Milkman delivers]

I'm not specifically talking about the board, but the overall attitude of the fan base. I never specifically called anybody racist, but am wondering aloud. Why is it okay for Dunn to be one of the worst hitters in over 100 years, but not Rios?

 

For the same reasons that people hated Vazquez and Garland. They give off the persona of someone who just doesn't give a flying f***, that they're collecting their paychecks and phoning the rest in.

[greg775]

Thomas wasn't boo'd? Really? He was probably the most under appreciated sports star I can think of.

 

Again, I'm not directing this specifically at the board.

 

If Thomas was booed it had to be sporadic.

I mean you act as if the Thomas career was dominated by booing.

He was my favorite Sox ever, barely beating out Chet Lemon. Both are black. I am white.

[TaylorStSox]

For the same reasons that people hated Vazquez and Garland. They give off the persona of someone who just doesn't give a flying f***, that they're collecting their paychecks and phoning the rest in.

 

 

This is a good point. Garland is a great example.

 

Generally, I don't question athlete's desire. For all we know, Rios is crying himself to sleep right now while Dunn's smoking a blunt wrapped in a $100 bill.

 

As I said earlier, they both suck. They're both going to handcuff this organization for years. It's a shame.