bigruss Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 His response: well, i guess they'll be pleasantly surprised that it isn't. Very smug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) The more people talk, the more I'm inclined to believe this. Remember, Soxtalk is the main force behind the Oney/Teahen "dispute" lingering. Calling us racists and potential murderers is a good way to discredit us. So Soxtalk in the past few days has been accused of death threats and helped cause (or exacerbate) a bitter Twitter war. Anyone want to come up with some unfounded steroid rumors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Oh come on Jon Greenburg, you're normally top-of-the-line. Would it be that difficult to put "Edit: Since this article has been published, memebers of Soxtalk.com have contacted me to refute Ozzie Jr.'s claim that their site contains such slanderous and racist material." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) So Soxtalk in the past few days has been accused of death threats and helped cause (or exacerbate) a bitter Twitter war. Anyone want to come up with some unfounded steroid rumors? I hear Ty Cobb was juicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) Oh come on Jon Greenburg, you're normally top-of-the-line. Would it be that difficult to put "Edit: Since this article has been published, memebers of Soxtalk.com have contacted me to refute Ozzie Jr.'s claim that their site contains such slanderous and racist material." I think he simply needs to re-write that paragraph and instead of directly quoting, paraphrase the comments to make it more clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Who wants to sue for libel? I think we could prove it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I started to comment under the article, but it's probably better for one of the mods to do it on behalf of this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) Who wants to sue for libel? I think we could prove it lol I'm going to put a kabash to any talk of that right now. A, it isn't libel cause he's reporting a quote from someone else. I would like to see a retraction though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:13 AM) I'm going to put a kabash to any talk of that right now. A, it isn't libel cause he's reporting a quote from someone else. I would like to see a retraction though. I, personally, would be jsut fine with Quinarvy's "Edit" idea. I expect that at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:56 AM) So Mr. Greenberg responded again with: He just doesn't get out that paragraph reads like it what was meant at Soxtalk.com. My response: His response: Very smug. He's either a jackass trying to cover his ass for sloppy, lazy reporting or someone with a limited grasp of how sentences work. Could be both, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) I think he simply needs to re-write that paragraph and instead of directly quoting, paraphrase the comments to make it more clear. That would be nice. I don't see how you could read that paragraph now and not come away thinking that this site is where he saw all of that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Well theres a million legal reasons why getting into libel/slander makes no sense, but the more practical reason is that truth is a defense. First comment: It gets scary. Opinion, cant be libel or defamation. Second Comment: death threats Fact, Im sure that if you go through all of the posts youll find some one (sarcastically or not) saying that they would like to kill XYZ. Even if its just another poster, it would still be true. Third Comment: Get out of here you Mexican.' This would be the most likely statement you could prove false, but even then Im not so sure that I cant believe in 1 game thread it wasnt said. Everything that is said on this board is part of history, as a collective you may think that those statements are not representative of this site, but it does not mean that there arent 1 or 2 posters who may say something like above. I cant imagine there will be a retraction, I cant imagine he will edit the piece, as there is simply no reason to. If I write an article that says "CC Sabathia isnt a good hitter" doesCC get to write me and say "im a good pitcher I want a retraction"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:06 AM) Got this response: I replied that the way he quoted it made it read that Ozzie Jr. was referencing this site specifically. I guarantee you Ozzie Jr. was referring to Twitter. He receives some disgusting messages and him and his brothers often retweet them to show what they deal with. Edited August 4, 2011 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) Oh come on Jon Greenburg, you're normally top-of-the-line. Would it be that difficult to put "Edit: Since this article has been published, memebers of Soxtalk.com have contacted me to refute Ozzie Jr.'s claim that their site contains such slanderous and racist material." Hey, maybe we could work something out with the Sun Times. They love that kind of stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) Hey, maybe we could work something out with the Sun Times. They love that kind of stuff! You have now made me laugh twice in the span of 2 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 That entire paragraph was amusing. I havent heard anyone say that on my short time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 He offered this: i hear your point. but the fact remains ozzie jr never said soxtalk.com contains those messages. while i see how it can be read that way, he even uses a different tense in describing the hateful stuff he reads. i would be glad to post a message like that on twitter, but i really don't see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) Hey, maybe we could work something out with the Sun Times. They love that kind of stuff! Pulitzer prizing winning news paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Paw Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 no such thing as bad publicity right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) I wonder if this is simply a back-handed way to snipe at us for the Teahen/Oney thing? If nothing else, as they say....all publicity is good publicity. Maybe it should serve as yet another sign to JR that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with his organization and the overall level of discontent of the fanbase. Not that you need to express it with death threats against KW or OG to get your point across. I think I've joked about having Rios "kidnapped" next season so they wouldn't have to pay his contract. I suppose sensitive Mr. Rios could take that literally and begin thinking a cabal was forming in dark corners...but I've never seen anyone who SEEMED serious or in any way threatening. You never know with the internet, of course. Edited August 4, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 While all publicity is good publicity. I find it very offensive to have this site being labeled "racist". Up until 1967, it would have been illegal for me in certain states to be married to my wife due to us being of different races. So when someone labels the site that I own as being racist, I find it incredibly offensive and upsetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:13 AM) I'm going to put a kabash to any talk of that right now. A, it isn't libel cause he's reporting a quote from someone else. I would like to see a retraction though. I wasn't being serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) If Jr. stopped in the filibuster there are plenty of anti Mexican comments in regards to immigration. I don't go there anymore so I can't comment but I hope that one could be against illegal immigration and not be considered racist or anti Mexican. You know today all the races and ethnic groups are mixed and matched like never before in history. Your boss, neighbor or significant other could very possibly come from a totally different background than you. In most cases people don't even give it a second thought anymore. Ozzie is not immune to criticism and it has nothing to do with his race or national origin. At least for me it doesn't. PC eventually gets oh so tiresome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 09:44 AM) I don't go there anymore so I can't comment but I hope that one could be against illegal immigration and not be considered racist or anti Mexican. You know today all the races and ethnic groups are mixed and matched like never before in history. Your boss, neighbor or significant other could very possibly come from a totally different background than you. In most cases people don't even give it a second thought anymore. Ozzie is not immune to criticism and it has nothing to do with his race or national origin. At least for me it doesn't. PC eventually gets oh so tiresome. The comments back there are related to politics and not racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:41 AM) While all publicity is good publicity. I find it very offensive to have this site being labeled "racist". Up until 1967, it would have been illegal for me in certain states to be married to my wife due to us being of different races. So when someone labels the site that I own as being racist, I find it incredibly offensive and upsetting. Yup, and when friends and family that are also Sox fans and read these articles know that you are a poster/member of this website, it hurts. Especially when you respect the board community and know that these allegations are completely false and unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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