southsider2k5 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 07:48 AM) Why not pick 9 games where Dunn struck out with men on Why not pick 9 games that Rios went 0 for 4 Why not pick 9 games that Pierre sucked Why not pick 9 games that the bullpen blew in April Why not pick 9 games that were lost to injury lots of ways to blame everyone for this season You also pick out 9 games we didn't deserve to win pretty easily too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 07:52 AM) I don't think anyone's assigned the "Most" blame to the easily replaceable guy. You say that like this site hasn't come down hard on Pierre, Dunn, Rios constantly. If Ozzie Guillen is losing games and his team isn't responding to him, then he shouldn't be here. There are decisions Guillen has made that other managers would not have made that are directly responsible for wins (sticking with Pierre when everyone wanted his head, and then he hits three GW hits) I'm having trouble identifying a single example in which Adam Dunn won this team a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 08:12 AM) There are decisions Guillen has made that other managers would not have made that are directly responsible for wins (sticking with Pierre when everyone wanted his head, and then he hits three GW hits) I'm having trouble identifying a single example in which Adam Dunn won this team a game. That's because Adam Bum hasn't contributed a damn thing to this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) There are decisions Guillen has made that other managers would not have made that are directly responsible for wins (sticking with Pierre when everyone wanted his head, and then he hits three GW hits) I'm having trouble identifying a single example in which Adam Dunn won this team a game. Well, then blame Ozzie for keeping him in the 4th spot all year, as well as letting him face LHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 08:12 AM) There are decisions Guillen has made that other managers would not have made that are directly responsible for wins (sticking with Pierre when everyone wanted his head, and then he hits three GW hits) I'm having trouble identifying a single example in which Adam Dunn won this team a game. http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CH...201106120.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CH...201107040.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 This makes me want to take a gun and put it in my mouth and pull the tigger until it goes click, fathom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 08:12 AM) There are decisions Guillen has made that other managers would not have made that are directly responsible for wins (sticking with Pierre when everyone wanted his head, and then he hits three GW hits) I'm having trouble identifying a single example in which Adam Dunn won this team a game. And who's to say that replacement player doesn't win us a couple games during that period when Juan was horrible? Waiting for him to not suck may have been a net loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) And who's to say that replacement player doesn't win us a couple games during that period when Juan was horrible? Waiting for him to not suck may have been a net loss. It doesn't work like that. There is no way that Pierre comes out of that funk without CONSTANT at-bats. Anything to make it seem like less of Ozzie's fault. I don't know how to make it green on my phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I want to see a list of the 9 moves that got away, moves that helped KW ruin the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) I want to see a list of the 9 moves that got away, moves that helped KW ruin the franchise. I don't think there were nine moves that "ruined" the franchise. Honestly, There's only a handful of trades/signings I can think of that were really bad. And don't start squawking about the Dunn signing. No one, not even Adam Dunn, could have seen what's going on now. Most of the "bad" moves look bad because of hindsight, at least in my opinion. Ozzie makes bad in-game decisions, and that's what this thread was started about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) I want to see a list of the 9 moves that got away, moves that helped KW ruin the franchise. Letting Ozzie Guillen live off of 2005 and keep his job for this long would have to be one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) I want to see a list of the 9 moves that got away, moves that helped KW ruin the franchise. No one is stopping you from making one, let's see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) I want to see a list of the 9 moves that got away, moves that helped KW ruin the franchise. I'll say Kenny has been fortunate, that he hasn't been burned on trades. I think one of the worst was the swisher deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 02:13 PM) Letting Ozzie Guillen live off of 2005 and keep his job for this long would have to be one of them. Well, that's gotta count for a couple there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) I'll say Kenny has been fortunate, that he hasn't been burned on trades. I think one of the worst was the swisher deal Yes, that wasn't a good one. The one that sticks in my head is the Todd Ritchie deal...although I remember someone saying that was someone else's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) Yes, that wasn't a good one. The one that sticks in my head is the Todd Ritchie deal...although I remember someone saying that was someone else's doing. Ron Schueler has taken credit for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 At this point I vote Kalapse to be our next GM and qwerty to be the new manager. Coop can stay and maybe lostfan can be our new hitting coach. greg775 should replace Roger Bossard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 10:06 AM) Well, then blame Ozzie for keeping him in the 4th spot all year, as well as letting him face LHP. That has to be the biggest offense for termination. Having your worst hitter sandwiched between your most productive hitters doesn't really help Konerko or Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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