LBJ had Kennedy killed, believed Jackie

[southsider2k5]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...eved-death.html

 

Explosive Jackie O tapes 'reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK and had affair with movie star'

 

By Liz Thomas

 

Jackie Onassis believed that Lyndon B Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved in the assassination of her husband John F Kennedy, ‘explosive’ recordings are set to reveal.

 

The secret tapes will show that the former first lady felt that her husband’s successor was at the heart of the plot to murder him.

 

She became convinced that the then vice president, along with businessmen in the South, had orchestrated the Dallas shooting, with gunman Lee Harvey Oswald – long claimed to have been a lone assassin – merely part of a much larger conspiracy.

 

Texas-born Mr Johnson, who served as the state’s governor and senator, completed Mr Kennedy’s term and went on to be elected president in his own right.

 

The tapes were recorded with leading historian Arthur Schlesinger Jnr within months of the assassination on November 22, 1963, and had been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston.

 

The then Mrs Kennedy, who went on to marry Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis, had ordered that they should not be released until 50 years after her death, with some reports suggesting she feared that her revelations might make her family targets for revenge.

 

She died 17 years ago from cancer aged 64 and now her daughter, Caroline Kennedy, has agreed to release the recordings early.

John and Jackie Kennedy with daughter Caroline, who allowed the tapes to be released to ABC in return for their cancelling of the mini series about the family

 

John and Jackie Kennedy with daughter Caroline, who allowed the tapes to be released to ABC in return for their cancelling of the mini series about the family

 

Jackie is said to reveal her affair with actor William Holden, right, which she did in retaliation for her husband's many flings

 

In the tapes, Jackie allegedly blames President Lyndon Johnson for the death of JFK, who took over the post from her husband after his assassination

 

In the tapes, Jackie allegedly blames President Lyndon Johnson for the death of JFK, who took over the post from her husband after his assassination

 

A programme featuring the tapes will be aired by U.S. network ABC, and it is understood British broadcasters are in talks to show it here too.

 

ABC executives claimed the tapes’ revelations were ‘explosive’.

 

They are believed to include the suggestion that Mr Kennedy was having an affair with a 19-year-old White House intern, with his wife even claiming that she found knickers in their bedroom.

 

And they go on to reveal that she too had affairs – one with Hollywood star William Holden and another with Fiat founder Gianni Agnelli – as a result of the president’s indiscretions. It has also been claimed that, in the weeks before Mr Kennedy’s assassination, the couple had turned a corner in their relationship and were planning to have more children.

 

Historian Edward Klein, who has written several books on the Kennedy clan, said: ‘Jackie regarded the pretty young things in the White House as superficial flings for Jack. She did retaliate by having her own affairs.

 

‘There was a period during which she was delighted to be able to annoy her husband with her own illicit romances.’

 

It is believed that Caroline, 53, agreed to the early release of the tapes in exchange for ABC dropping its £10million drama series about the family.

 

The Kennedys, starring Tom Cruise’s wife Katie Holmes as Jackie, critically charted the family’s political and personal trials and tribulations since the 1930s. The series was eventually broadcast on an independent cable channel, and on BBC2 in the UK, against Caroline’s wishes.

 

A spokesman for ABC said the claims about the content of the tapes were 'erroneous'.

 

He said: ‘The actual content of the tapes provide unique and important insight into our recent past from one of the most fascinating and influential First Ladies in American history.’

 

The broadcaster did not reply to repeated requests for comment and would not clarify what was on the tapes, saying the programme was not scheduled for broadcast until mid-September.

 

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[clyons]

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The tapes were recorded with leading historian Arthur Schlesinger Jnr within months of the assassination on November 22, 1963, and had been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston.

 

I'm sure she would have felt much worse if she weren't under such heavy sedation.

[Rowand44]

God I hate LeBron.

[Texsox]

More Texas hate

[The Sir]

She had retaliatory affairs? What classy behavior for the "First Lady". There was nothing honorable or presidential in how JFK behaved in his marriage, but his philandering does not excuse Jackie doing the same thing.

 

I've been cheated on before. I didn't use that as a justification to cheat on either that person or future girlfriends. I confronted them and ended the relationship. That's the honorable thing to do.

 

But people who cheat on their lovers simply because their lovers cheated on them are scum. Cowardly scum.

 

Just lost a lot of respect for Jackie O.

[greg775]

Man LBJ must have been scum to organize a plot to kill the president.

 

I bet Katie Holmes is pissed the TV show is canceled by ABC over the tapes.

[HuskyCaucasian]

God I hate LeBron.

I know seriously. Kills Kennedy, The Decision, Folding in the Finals.

[Milkman delivers]

She had retaliatory affairs? What classy behavior for the "First Lady". There was nothing honorable or presidential in how JFK behaved in his marriage, but his philandering does not excuse Jackie doing the same thing.

 

I've been cheated on before. I didn't use that as a justification to cheat on either that person or future girlfriends. I confronted them and ended the relationship. That's the honorable thing to do.

 

But people who cheat on their lovers simply because their lovers cheated on them are scum. Cowardly scum.

 

Just lost a lot of respect for Jackie O.

 

And the fact that she seems to just be a gold digger. William Holden, Onassis, and the guy who owned Fiat? I never particularly respected Jackie O the way everyone else seemed to, and that was based almost exclusively on the fact that she married one of the world's wealthiest men after all of that crap. Billions of people on Earth to fall in love with, and hers just happen to be the future President (and American "royalty") and then an absurdly rich shipping baron? I don't buy it. Adding in Holden and the Fiat guy just cements it to me.

[iamshack]

Hah, you two are something else...

[The Sir]

And the fact that she seems to just be a gold digger. William Holden, Onassis, and the guy who owned Fiat? I never particularly respected Jackie O the way everyone else seemed to, and that was based almost exclusively on the fact that she married one of the world's wealthiest men after all of that crap. Billions of people on Earth to fall in love with, and hers just happen to be the future President (and American "royalty") and then an absurdly rich shipping baron? I don't buy it. Adding in Holden and the Fiat guy just cements it to me.

 

I wholeheartedly agree.

 

She didn't even contribute anything to society. She just grew up rich, her mother was also a gold digger (marrying oil heir Hugh Auchinschloss after her first husband/Jackie's father died), and once she left her mama's tit, she went on marrying rich, successful men in order to continue leading her life of comfort.

 

Oh, but she was a fashion icon! Yeah. Some people say Michelle Obama and Paris Hilton are fashion icons too. I say they make me barf. Debutantes/socialites is what they are. I fart in their general direction.

 

Interestingly enough, a dislike for Jackie O was my ultimate downfall at WSI.

Edited August 9, 2011 by The Sir

[whitesoxfan101]

Can't wait to hear the tapes. If anything, we now know that she had common sense in realizing LBJ did it. I'm a bit surprised it turns out she was kind of a gold digging hoe though.

[FlaSoxxJim]

I'm sure she would have felt much worse if she weren't under such heavy sedation.

 

I smell an oblique Spinal Tap reference!

[FlaSoxxJim]

She had retaliatory affairs? What classy behavior for the "First Lady". There was nothing honorable or presidential in how JFK behaved in his marriage, but his philandering does not excuse Jackie doing the same thing.

 

I've been cheated on before. I didn't use that as a justification to cheat on either that person or future girlfriends. I confronted them and ended the relationship. That's the honorable thing to do.

 

But people who cheat on their lovers simply because their lovers cheated on them are scum. Cowardly scum.

 

Just lost a lot of respect for Jackie O.

 

I don't want to sound like I am condoning infidelity either, but under these circumstances I can understand her resorting to "retaliatory affairs."

 

JFK was, by all accounts, a serial adulterer. Your advice to confront an unfaithful spouse and then leave him/her makes sense for most normal people, but not for the highest profile couple in the world. Given the Catholic Church's stance on divorce and the fact that there was enormous pressure for the first Catholic psident to be successful, there would have obviously been a huge incentive to keep JFK's transgressions under wraps. As First Lady, Jackie would have had a huge number of insiders exerting extremej prressure to keep quiet and to stick it out with her husband. Certainly, she would have pleaded with her husband to get him to cut the crap, and obviously he fused to do so. Given all of that, I think I understand how Jackie could eventually think she had no choice but to give Jack a taste of his own medicine.

 

I am actually far from being a big fan of Jackie Kennedy-Onassis. I do think there was a gold digger aspect to her, and film of her that I saw recently (her famous White House television tour) left me feeling that she was rather shallow - a pretty socialite and little more. But that may have just been the role she was forced into, and an unfair characterization on my part.

[The Sir]

I don't want to sound like I am condoning infidelity either, but under these circumstances I can understand her resorting to "retaliatory affairs."

 

JFK was, by all accounts, a serial adulterer. Your advice to confront an unfaithful spouse and then leave him/her makes sense for most normal people, but not for the highest profile couple in the world. Given the Catholic Church's stance on divorce and the fact that there was enormous pressure for the first Catholic psident to be successful, there would have obviously been a huge incentive to keep JFK's transgressions under wraps. As First Lady, Jackie would have had a huge number of insiders exerting extremej prressure to keep quiet and to stick it out with her husband. Certainly, she would have pleaded with her husband to get him to cut the crap, and obviously he fused to do so. Given all of that, I think I understand how Jackie could eventually think she had no choice but to give Jack a taste of his own medicine.

 

I am actually far from being a big fan of Jackie Kennedy-Onassis. I do think there was a gold digger aspect to her, and film of her that I saw recently (her famous White House television tour) left me feeling that she was rather shallow - a pretty socialite and little more. But that may have just been the role she was forced into, and an unfair characterization on my part.

 

Then she takes the high road. That's the upstanding thing to do. Not engaging an affair of revenge. Two wrongs do not make a right.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Then she takes the high road. That's the upstanding thing to do. Not engaging an affair of revenge. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

By sticking with her husband for the good of his presidency and fir the country I think a sound argument can be made that she took the high road. that doesn't mean she should have rolled over and been totally victimized by letting her husband pursue countless secret affairs without consequence. Again, I seeking to understand and explain her reactionary behavior and not condone it.

[mr_genius]

God I hate LeBron.

 

^

 

win

[Texsox]

We keep finding out that elected leaders and other famous people are actually humans and the entire range of human events happens to them. It seems odd that she should remain celibate while he was having those affairs. As far as the types of men she had affairs with, that is the social circle she was in. It would have been rather difficult for her to have had an affair with Bud the mechanic from the Quick Lube. She did have a fairly successful career as a literary editor at Doubleday. She clearly did not need to work. The position was more than ceremonial, she kept regular office hours and by all accounts did very well for the company.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Tex that's why I wonder how much of Jackie Kennedy's Homemaker Princess of Camelot act was just an affectation — basically her playing the role and not really showing much of her self.

 

I never though much about it until watching the ABC White House Tour reels just a couple of years ago. I don't know if it was her reading from a script, being camera shy, or what, but to me she just comes off as completely vapid in that hour-long slice of media history. Certainly she was more engaging than she comes off here.

[The Sir]

It seems odd that she should remain celibate while he was having those affairs.

 

So it's acceptable to cheat on your lover if they cheat on you? I strongly disagree. JFK was in the wrong, but by mimicking his poor behsvior, Jackie was equally wrong and equally classless. So what if she couldn't confront him? She could still maintain her dignity and her honor by upholding her end of the marital vows. She chose not to do that, and thus, she disgraced herself as much as he did.

[Quin]

God I hate LeBron.

 

Glorious bastard, you beat me to it.

 

Also, I agee that the Kennedys havibg a divorce would have been resoundingly bad. They needed to project that image of a beautiful, together forever couple.

[Iwritecode]

Interestingly enough, a dislike for Jackie O was my ultimate downfall at WSI.

 

I don't think you're allowed to have a negative opinion about anything over there.

[southsider2k5]

I don't think you're allowed to have a negative opinion about anything over there.

 

Unless it is about having a negative opinion.

[Milkman delivers]

Hah, you two are something else...

 

Can you go into a little more detail than that? I mean, I said my opinion and laid out my reasoning pretty clearly.

[iamshack]

Can you go into a little more detail than that? I mean, I said my opinion and laid out my reasoning pretty clearly.

Sure. I just think you're both being a bit harsh. She was born fairly wealthy and travelled in the same social circles as many of these wealthy men she dated and eventually married. This is how wealthy society works. It's not like she came from nothing and sought out these men solely for the purpose of getting her stinking mitts on their American Express card.

 

She was all of 24 when she married Kennedy. 32 when he became President. I don't know if Kennedy was such a manwhore prior to reaching the White House, but they had small children, she is the First Lady, and her husband is simultaneously adored by the entire world and treating her like absolute s***, sleeping with many, many women and the press just turns a blind eye. She is expected to just prance around and look pretty and raise his children and be happy? I don't know, I guess I am not old fashioned, but do men still expect to treat women this way and have them remain blindly faithful?

 

Despite JFK's trysts, it's still pretty obvious that she loved him deeply. He gets assassinated. She is left with his two small children and everyone in the world is clawing at her trying to get a piece of her. Then Bobby gets assassinated too. She becomes very fearful for her life, for her children's lives. She wanted to get the hell out of the US.

 

I'm not saying Onassis was not a bit of a slimeball, but it's pretty well-documented that he made her feel safe, he provided her privacy from the outside world as well as safety from someone who might wish to harm her or her children.

 

I am not a huge fan of JFK, and I guess by association, not a huge fan of Jackie. I just thought you guys were a bit harsh in your assessment of her, that's all...

[Milkman delivers]

That's fair, and I appreciate the time you took to explain it.