LBJ had Kennedy killed, believed Jackie

[Harry Chappas]

took me a while to get the LBJ=Lebron......ugh long day

Edited August 9, 2011 by Harry Chappas

[Steve9347]

I know seriously. Kills Kennedy, The Decision, Folding in the Finals.

Loves Tebow.

[Texsox]

So it's acceptable to cheat on your lover if they cheat on you? I strongly disagree. JFK was in the wrong, but by mimicking his poor behsvior, Jackie was equally wrong and equally classless. So what if she couldn't confront him? She could still maintain her dignity and her honor by upholding her end of the marital vows. She chose not to do that, and thus, she disgraced herself as much as he did.

 

I don't disagree that she disgraced herself by today's standards. But I'm not going to cast such a harsh light on what she did.

[Texsox]

Tex that's why I wonder how much of Jackie Kennedy's Homemaker Princess of Camelot act was just an affectation — basically her playing the role and not really showing much of her self.

 

I never though much about it until watching the ABC White House Tour reels just a couple of years ago. I don't know if it was her reading from a script, being camera shy, or what, but to me she just comes off as completely vapid in that hour-long slice of media history. Certainly she was more engaging than she comes off here.

 

This about what was happening in society when she was in the White House. Society was beginning to change at a rapid pace. What would she have been doing if she wasn't first lady?

[Reddy]

She had retaliatory affairs? What classy behavior for the "First Lady". There was nothing honorable or presidential in how JFK behaved in his marriage, but his philandering does not excuse Jackie doing the same thing.

 

I've been cheated on before. I didn't use that as a justification to cheat on either that person or future girlfriends. I confronted them and ended the relationship. That's the honorable thing to do.

 

But people who cheat on their lovers simply because their lovers cheated on them are scum. Cowardly scum.

 

Just lost a lot of respect for Jackie O.

really?

 

come on - who cares anymore? people in authority have affairs. I honestly dont think that precludes them from being great at their job, and thus, i couldn't care less if they have them.

 

we don't think less of our ballplayers if they do the same thing - so why should we about our politicians?

[southsider2k5]

really?

 

come on - who cares anymore? people in authority have affairs. I honestly dont think that precludes them from being great at their job, and thus, i couldn't care less if they have them.

 

we don't think less of our ballplayers if they do the same thing - so why should we about our politicians?

 

It changes my opinion of them, but that is just me.

[Reddy]

It changes my opinion of them, but that is just me.

then you must not think too highly of a majority of professional athletes. anybody surrounded by constant praise and adoration, not to mention female groupies, it takes a special sort of person to NOT succumb to that. And I'd be willing to bet there just aren't too many of those around.

[southsider2k5]

then you must not think too highly of a majority of professional athletes. anybody surrounded by constant praise and adoration, not to mention female groupies, it takes a special sort of person to NOT succumb to that. And I'd be willing to bet there just aren't too many of those around.

 

Athletes who cheat on their wives are not worth thinking highly of.

[The Sir]

really?

 

come on - who cares anymore? people in authority have affairs. I honestly dont think that precludes them from being great at their job, and thus, i couldn't care less if they have them.

 

we don't think less of our ballplayers if they do the same thing - so why should we about our politicians?

 

I think less of ballplayers who have affairs. Tony Parker comes to mind; don't think much of him anymore. And I don't have any love lost for celebrities who do it either.

 

But there is a big difference between them and politicians, that difference being that celebs and athletes don't have any control of my life. If a politician is low enough to betray his own wife, how soon will he betray the rest of us? If I vote a guy in for his conservative principles and he has an affair, I figure its only a matter of time before he starts betraying me too, probably out of his own career minded convenience.

 

It's about honor. A politician who cheats on his wife has no honor and does not deserve my support.

[Reddy]

I think less of ballplayers who have affairs. Tony Parker comes to mind; don't think much of him anymore. And I don't have any love lost for celebrities who do it either.

 

But there is a big difference between them and politicians, that difference being that celebs and athletes don't have any control of my life. If a politician is low enough to betray his own wife, how soon will he betray the rest of us? If I vote a guy in for his conservative principles and he has an affair, I figure its only a matter of time before he starts betraying me too, probably out of his own career minded convenience.

 

It's about honor. A politician who cheats on his wife has no honor and does not deserve my support.

sorry to burst your bubble, but that's an awful lot of em. In fact, I'm pretty sure there have been more conservative politicians whose affairs have come to light in the media than liberals.

 

i also don't believe a persons personal life impacts how they govern. plenty of great leaders over the years have been adulterers and philanderers. why is it that in THIS day and age, sending a picture of your junk means you're a bad leader? I don't see the connection.

[The Sir]

sorry to burst your bubble, but that's an awful lot of em. In fact, I'm pretty sure there have been more conservative politicians whose affairs have come to light in the media than liberals.

 

i also don't believe a persons personal life impacts how they govern. plenty of great leaders over the years have been adulterers and philanderers. why is it that in THIS day and age, sending a picture of your junk means you're a bad leader? I don't see the connection.

 

It's an honor thing. Some of us have it, some of us don't. I'll leave it at that.

[The Sir]

sorry to burst your bubble, but that's an awful lot of em. In fact, I'm pretty sure there have been more conservative politicians whose affairs have come to light in the media than liberals.

 

i also don't believe a persons personal life impacts how they govern. plenty of great leaders over the years have been adulterers and philanderers. why is it that in THIS day and age, sending a picture of your junk means you're a bad leader? I don't see the connection.

 

It's an honor thing. Some of us have it, some of us don't. I'll leave it at that.

[Reddy]

It's an honor thing. Some of us have it, some of us don't. I'll leave it at that.

you sound like a spartan. or a klingon.

 

[The Sir]

you sound like a spartan. or a klingon.

 

I should have figured you wouldn't think much of the "honor" thing.

[Reddy]

I should have figured you wouldn't think much of the "honor" thing.

i prefer rational thinking. making informed choices. doing what's best for the most people.

 

you know what would have been really honorable of you? if you'd gone ahead and enlisted and led the charge against those bastards that took down our chopper. but ya didn't. you posted on an internet forum instead.

[The Sir]

you know what would have been really honorable of you? if you'd gone ahead and enlisted and led the charge against those bastards that took down our chopper. but ya didn't. you posted on an internet forum instead.

 

I'm in the infantry, you arrogant ass.

[Reddy]

I'm in the infantry, you arrogant ass.

if that's the case then thanks for your service. really do mean that. but if you ever get a chance to see "A Few Good Men" I'd recommend taking a watch.

[BigSqwert]

I'm in the infantry, you arrogant ass.

Says the newly crowned king of arrogance on the site.

 

God loves gays!!

[The Sir]

if that's the case then thanks for your service. really do mean that. but if you ever get a chance to see "A Few Good Men" I'd recommend taking a watch.

 

Thank you. In spite of our differences, I sincerely appreciate you being able to say that.

 

As for A Few Good Men, I have seen it. Not sure what you're getting at.

[Reddy]

Thank you. In spite of our differences, I sincerely appreciate you being able to say that.

 

As for A Few Good Men, I have seen it. Not sure what you're getting at.

 

eh, it was a kind of snarky remark on my part (shocking) and i could've just left it out.

 

it's basically about a military court martial where the commanding officer at guantanamo defends certain military practices that led to a soldiers death, but that he claims are necessary to make the unit as a whole stronger. ie: good of the whole at the expense of the weak kind of thing. Paints things like codes of honor to be ways of manipulation etc.

 

at the end of the day though, as you obviously well know, the truth is that in order for your units to operate effectively, there need to be things like codes that you adhere to - and a certain amount of blind faith is part of the job description. so go ahead and do your damnedest serving our country, and wait till your done to watch it.

[farmteam]

It changes my opinion of them, but that is just me.

 

I used to be the same way. I read that MLK Jr. had been a fairly frequent womanizer and lost a lot of respect for him. But then I realized that no one's perfect, and everyone's imperfections manifest them in different ways. I'm not a womanizer...but I also lack the skills that many great politicians have.

 

But like you said, that's just me.

[The Sir]

eh, it was a kind of snarky remark on my part (shocking) and i could've just left it out.

 

it's basically about a military court martial where the commanding officer at guantanamo defends certain military practices that led to a soldiers death, but that he claims are necessary to make the unit as a whole stronger. ie: good of the whole at the expense of the weak kind of thing. Paints things like codes of honor to be ways of manipulation etc.

 

at the end of the day though, as you obviously well know, the truth is that in order for your units to operate effectively, there need to be things like codes that you adhere to - and a certain amount of blind faith is part of the job description. so go ahead and do your damnedest serving our country, and wait till your done to watch it.

 

Yeah, I've seen the movie. And while he gives lots of lip service to it, there is nothing remotely honorable about Jack Nicholson's character. We have chapters (aka motions to eliminate a Soldier from the military) for a reason. Poor Soldiers don't need to be murdered.

 

And as a note, I know that wasn't your point and I know you weren't comparing me to Nicholson's character. I know your point was to show that catch phrases can be misused and manipulated. And that's true, and it's a shame too.

[greg775]

really?

 

come on - who cares anymore? people in authority have affairs. I honestly dont think that precludes them from being great at their job, and thus, i couldn't care less if they have them.

 

we don't think less of our ballplayers if they do the same thing - so why should we about our politicians?

 

Some people cheat; some don't. I respect those who do not cheat.

 

I went to a bachelor party in Vegas a few years ago where 80 percent of the guys were married.

 

All 80 percent of those guys were hunting for women. Most of them got laid. Amazing how many cheaters are out there.

[Quin]

Who the hell is God Loves the Infantry? FlySox? Sounds like FlySox.

 

 

It's an honor thing. Some of us have it, some of us don't. I'll leave it at that.

 

Yes and cheating is despicable and wrong.

 

What it doesn't do is make someone a bad person, it means they either had an extreme moment of weakness or need to just not be in relationships.

 

And yes, some of us do have honor and some don't. But like everything, the variable is who gets to judge honor.

[Texsox]

I'm in the infantry, you arrogant ass.

 

And single handily lowering my opinion of some soldiers with every post.