SoxFanForever Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) I think it is mostly Soxtalk that doesn't like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) NOBODY likes Cowley. The guy's a douche. It's not just Soxtalk. Your posting style as of late (especially the Hollywood crap) is basically what Cowley does. Meh, I don't mind the guy. He is a douche, but if you take his ramblings at face value, he can be entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) I think it is mostly Soxtalk that doesn't like him. I think Toronto is bigger than SoxTalk. Maybe the BBWAA is too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 He's right though, you have to look at Beckham and Alexei as well. I like Gordon, I think he's a good guy and I love his defense and his hustle, but his plate appearances are almost uncomfortable to watch. Alexei hit .220 in July and is hitting .205 in August. Just brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 12:49 PM) He's right though, you have to look at Beckham and Alexei as well. I like Gordon, I think he's a good guy and I love his defense and his hustle, but his plate appearances are almost uncomfortable to watch. Alexei hit .220 in July and is hitting .205 in August. Just brutal. I think it's downright criminal the pass guys like Beckham and Morel have gotten around here. Who cares that they don't make any money. They play every day and have been atrocities offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I vote we rename the team to "Chicago Chen's b****es" because this s***ty pitcher has owned us time and time again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) I think it's downright criminal the pass guys like Beckham and Morel have gotten around here. Who cares that they don't make any money. They play every day and have been atrocities offensively. I think it's downright criminal that the same person can be as prospect/draft obsessed as you are and then simultaneously totally unwilling to have young guys who struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) I think it's downright criminal that the same person can be as prospect/draft obsessed as you are and then simultaneously totally unwilling to have young guys who struggle. There's struggling and being the equivalent to an NL pitcher. Beckham has regressed every which way from 2009. And he's not 21. He'll be 25 come September. Morel has been putrid. Not just bad. Brian Anderson bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 What's funny was Hawk saying the other day that Morel was ahead of Crede at the same stages of their careers. Big market teams don't have time to wait on a prospect like Morel, who one day may be servicable, but doesn't have upside much more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Hawk also said Ruben Sierra had a chance to be one of the best players to ever play the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:46 PM) There's struggling and being the equivalent to an NL pitcher. Beckham has regressed every which way from 2009. And he's not 21. He'll be 25 come September. Morel has been putrid. Not just bad. Brian Anderson bad. I assume you're ready to give me a lecture about how the Royals never should have drafted Moustakas and he's a total waste? He's on the Royals and he can't even hold down their starting 3b job. Or how stupid the Blue Jays were to trade for Kyle Drabek? I mean Drabek has a WHIP of 1.78. He's putrid. Not just bad, Brian Anderson is a better pitcher than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) What's funny was Hawk saying the other day that Morel was ahead of Crede at the same stages of their careers. Big market teams don't have time to wait on a prospect like Morel, who one day may be servicable, but doesn't have upside much more than that. Which is why the Yankees traded away Brett Gardner and all those catchers. Because they didn't have time to wait on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) I assume you're ready to give me a lecture about how the Royals never should have drafted Moustakas and he's a total waste? He's on the Royals and he can't even hold down their starting 3b job. Or how stupid the Blue Jays were to trade for Kyle Drabek? I mean Drabek has a WHIP of 1.78. He's putrid. Not just bad, Brian Anderson is a better pitcher than him. Where do you get this idea that I pimp every single prospect from every single team? Both the guys you've named have been disappointments this year. Matt Wieters has been the biggest disappointment of them all. He's a stud defensively. But offensively he's lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I thought Wieters was going to be hitting like Joe Mauer. He's pretty average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) Where do you get this idea that I pimp every single prospect from every single team? Both the guys you've named have been disappointments this year. Matt Wieters has been the biggest disappointment of them all. He's a stud defensively. But offensively he's lacking. Oh, so you only pimp Blue Jays prospects other than the ones who struggle, I see. If you pay any attention to this game at all...the number of guys who come up, succeed right away, wind up making all star teams, and then never go through a period of struggling is miniscule, yet you expect exactly that from the White Sox, and you judge the fact that this doesn't happen to be a fireable offense. By your standards Justin Verlander would be an utter disappointment because he put up an ERA of nearly 5 in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) Where do you get this idea that I pimp every single prospect from every single team? Both the guys you've named have been disappointments this year. Matt Wieters has been the biggest disappointment of them all. He's a stud defensively. But offensively he's lacking. In all fairness, you did pimp the entire Royals farm system earlier this year, saying when Hosmer, Moustakas, & Co. joined the club they would go on an Atlanta Braves type run. And you've also pimped Drabek a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Oh, so you only pimp Blue Jays prospects other than the ones who struggle, I see. If you pay any attention to this game at all...the number of guys who come up, succeed right away, wind up making all star teams, and then never go through a period of struggling is miniscule, yet you expect exactly that from the White Sox, and you judge the fact that this doesn't happen to be a fireable offense. By your standards Justin Verlander would be an utter disappointment because he put up an ERA of nearly 5 in 2008. Bulls***. I never said that Beckham/Morel had to be Cano/Longoria. I wiped the slate clean with Beckham coming into this year. Suffice it to say he's failed miserably. Morel? He's been Chone Figgins bad. I don't agree with picking on the guys that make a lot of money and making excuses for the guys that make 500K. You ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) In all fairness, you did pimp the entire Royals farm system earlier this year, saying when Hosmer, Moustakas, & Co. joined the club they would go on an Atlanta Braves type run. And you've also pimped Drabek a lot. Who didn't hype up that system? And most of their guys haven't even had a full year in the bigs yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) Who didn't hype up that system? And most of their guys haven't even had a full year in the bigs yet. I pointed it out because Balta's example was Moustakas, who has been quite awful. I remember when I wanted Kila Ka'aihue for this team. Man, he didn't work out either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) I pointed it out because Balta's example was Moustakas, who has been quite awful. I remember when I wanted Kila Ka'aihue for this team. Man, he didn't work out either. He's been straight garbage. I have no problem admitting that. It annoys me that I seemingly hate only White Sox prospects. If come October and we're sitting at home watching other teams play for the 9th time in 11 years under KW, I'm not going to put it all on Dunn/Rios/Peavy. Beckham/Morel will be on my s***list as well. Edited August 13, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) He's been straight garbage. I have no problem admitting that. It annoys me that I seemingly hate only White Sox prospects. If come October and we're sitting at home watching other teams play for the 9th time in 11 years under KW, I'm not going to put it all on Dunn/Rios/Peavy. Beckham/Morel will be on my s***list as well. Fair enough, but part of that comes with the territory of this being a Sox site, so of course you will appear to hate on Sox prospects more, because it's not worth your time to get on other systems prospects and instead only point out the good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) He's right though, you have to look at Beckham and Alexei as well. I like Gordon, I think he's a good guy and I love his defense and his hustle, but his plate appearances are almost uncomfortable to watch. Alexei hit .220 in July and is hitting .205 in August. Just brutal. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 05:58 PM) I think it's downright criminal the pass guys like Beckham and Morel have gotten around here. Who cares that they don't make any money. They play every day and have been atrocities offensively. Let's face it. It's late enough to say it's just not our year. Ozzie I'd say is 80-20 gone after this season and KW is 100 percent gone with Hahn taking over. So hopefully next year these guys who had bad seasons (Lexi, Beckham, Rios, Dunn, Morel) will get their acts together. Hopefully the new GM won't re-up Juan and Omar and we can move on. A new hitting coach should be a breath of fresh air (steal Seitzer from KC please) and hopefully the new manager believes more in fundamentals like making sure the bunters can bunt. Nobody on the team has had a career year hitting except Paulie maybe. It's not our year. Hopefully this year helps Morel's bat in the future cause Morel CAN FIELD. He's amazing there. If Beckham hits .250 again next year, and Lexi keeps sucking, yes we have a problem cause Rios/Dunn are hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Yup. KC's hitting coach. That's a team where they're killing the ball and all their guys are developing like crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) Bulls***. I never said that Beckham/Morel had to be Cano/Longoria. I wiped the slate clean with Beckham coming into this year. Suffice it to say he's failed miserably. Morel? He's been Chone Figgins bad. I don't agree with picking on the guys that make a lot of money and making excuses for the guys that make 500K. You ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. In that case, you need to stop paying attention to prospects, period. Because they're almost never part of the solution right out of the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2011 -> 08:06 PM) Yup. KC's hitting coach. That's a team where they're killing the ball and all their guys are developing like crazy. You don't like Seitzer? Wow. Hitting has not been KC's problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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