Soxfest Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Finally a soft tosser chased early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlammajamma Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 While sabermetrics may not rate Juan too highly, if you look at grindometrics, he is actually a good ballplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Good play by Morel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:28 PM) I see your point with Castro and Flowers (though Bridge is getting up there). And regarding Ramirez, are doubles, walks and home runs are meaningless to you? Personally I've been disappointed in Lexi this season. If I'm way off base then I mistakenly offend the Lexi-lovers as they offend me when they hate on Juan. Somebody else was bagging on Lexi the other day as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:17 PM) To the 80 percent of America who still follow batting average, his batting average is excellent. His defense is fine. His willingness to learn how to bunt and get a hit off a bunt is very excellent. He's a good ballplayer. I actually was one of his defenders last year because of his defense. His defense this year has been a mess, and especially a mess when the 9th inning rolls around for some reason. He's cost us several games on defense and saved virtually none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) Personally I've been disappointed in Lexi this season. If I'm way off base then I mistakenly offend the Lexi-lovers as they offend me when they hate on Juan. Somebody else was bagging on Lexi the other day as well. With the way Alexei started this season he looked like he was going to be a lot better, but he's been in this ground ball to the LH side groove since about May 1 that has really hurt, especially causing DP's. He's been a lot more useful than Pierre because he's actually hit the ball hard, but no where near as good as it seemed like he should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) I actually was one of his defenders last year because of his defense. His defense this year has been a mess, and especially a mess when the 9th inning rolls around for some reason. He's cost us several games on defense and saved virtually none. Last year Juan was really, really good at D. This year, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) With the way Alexei started this season he looked like he was going to be a lot better, but he's been in this ground ball to the LH side groove since about May 1 that has really hurt, especially causing DP's. He's been a lot more useful than Pierre because he's actually hit the ball hard, but no where near as good as it seemed like he should have been. And any offense out of a defensive SS of his caliber is a bonus. He's the best player on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) You guys that love sabes can bury me, but to the average Joe, Lexi's .263, 12 homers and 49 RBis and six stolen bases scream mediocre season to me, also 64 runs scored. I still like him a lot. He's a likeable player. Edited August 14, 2011 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 He scores runs because he gets a lot of PAs with Ramirez/Konerko behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:34 PM) And any offense out of a defensive SS of his caliber is a bonus. He's the best player on this team. My eye test tells me Paulie is the best player on the team, sabes be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Danks is pitching a good game but the two walks right there are what cost him from actually being an elite pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I can't believe simply calling Juan a good baseball player can cause so much angst. You guys have high standards if you don't agree with me on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) I can't believe simply calling Juan a good baseball player can cause so much angst. You guys have high standards if you don't agree with me on that. No, we just watched him in the OF in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) No, we just watched him in the OF in April. Ah, April. I hope you guys despise a whole batch of White Sox for April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Pierre is a nice player the sox just expect more out of him than he can provide because of Morel, Rios, Rios and Dunn being useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:42 PM) No, we just watched him in the OF in April. I watched him have no power all season, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Johnny needs to keep throwing strikes and stop worrying about a certain accomplishment. He might not make it past the 7th inning at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Ah, April. I hope you guys despise a whole batch of White Sox for April. If Juan Pierre had followed up April with a few months of .800+ OPS or really good fielding, I'd care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:17 PM) To the 80 percent of America who still follow batting average, his batting average is excellent. His defense is fine. His willingness to learn how to bunt and get a hit off a bunt is very excellent. He's a good ballplayer. You're ridiculous...I pray that Ozzie takes Juan with him to Florida next year so you can see how terrible of a player he is. Edited August 14, 2011 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 They made that a base hit. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 this would've been a 200 pitch no-no without Butler's hit so it wouldn't have gone that far anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:44 PM) Pierre is a nice player the sox just expect more out of him than he can provide because of Morel, Rios, Rios and Dunn being useless. I'll take "nice player." That's good enough. I think he's a good baseball player as well. You guys that dislike Juan. If he somehow got his average to .295 would you still say he's not even "good?" Amazing how different Sabes people are than the average fan/announcer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Well that was quick. Get Johnny out of there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:46 PM) You're ridiculous...I pray that Ozzie takes Juan with him to Florida next year so you can see how terrible of a player he is. Calling Juan a terrible baseball player is just wrong. It is so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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